Time To Engage God's (America's) Enemies

It has been said that all that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to stand by and do nothing. It's time for Christians to pull our heads out of the sand and take a stand.

One man in California has the Supreme Court of this land now reviewing whether the phrase "under God" should be removed from our Pledge of Allegiance. The Chief Justice of State of Alabama cannot have a display of the Ten Commandments on courthouse property, despite that they are commonly acknowledged to be the basis for all of Western Law. A high school in Louisiana is being sued by the ACLU for saying prayers before football games.

The Liberal Secular Extremists cite the mythical "wall of separation" clause... which appears nowhere in our Constitution.

This is a war, and it is a war to remove every mention of God from every corner of American public life. The goal here is not to enforce our Founders' intent in having written the Constitution, rather it is to eradicate the single source of goodness, truth, and justice (and all of our Constitutionally listed rights...!) the world has in its possession... the Holy Word of God and the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

If indeed our Rights as enumerated in our Constitution are inalienable—that is, cannot be taken from us—because, as our founders wrote, they are granted to us by God the Creator Himself, what praytell becomes of those "Rights" once God is forbidden His rightful place... or even any place... in our society or Government?

If the Christians in America, a nation founded by Christians upon the solid rock of the Word of God and the Gospel of Jesus Christ, do not fight back with everything God has blessed us with, then we are giving victory to an evil which intends to consume us. We are allowing the immoral to dictate the terms to the moral, and that is then game, set, and match.

There is far more at stake here than whether Washington was a Deist, or whether one sentence from Jefferson's letter to some guy in Connecticut should be used to supersede and reinterpret our entire Constitution. These are not valid arguments, and The Library of Congress has extensive documentation available online which dispels any such deceit.

For this war to have gotten to the advanced stage where it now sits on our doorstep and snarls at us like the Hounds of Hell unleashed is the fault not of the minions of Satan who merely do the bidding of their vile master, rather it is the fault of every Christian in this once God-fearing nation who has sat idly by and hoped it would go away.

It is not going to go away. It is coming for us... in our homes, our schools, our places of work and our places of worship. It is time to take a stand and speak the Truth. Then speak It again. And again.

Inasmuch as this conflict, for the time being, remains a war of ideas and ideology, it is still possible to fight it just by speaking out, by letting the Holy Spirit within us move our hearts and tongues to take a vocal and unrelenting stand for what is right.

Whether our discourse in this matter offends some Muslims or Krishnas is not at issue. It is, in fact, a non-issue, and has no place in our deliberations. It is a diversion concocted by those who hate God.

The only issue here is whether our discourse offends God. We can pray that it lifts Him up in praise and glorifies Him, for that in the only way that we will succeed in our quest.

We must raise an outcry that reaches not only to the ACLU, not only to our schools, not only to the courts, not only to the Congress of the United States...

...but one which reaches straight to Heaven, for it is there, and there alone, where all hope for mankind—and America—lies.

"The Liberal Secular Extremists cite the mythical "wall of separation" clause... which appears nowhere in our Constitution."

No, there is no "wall of separation" clause, but there is an "establishment clause" in the First Amendment that has been interpreted by the Supreme Court since the late 1940s as meaning there is be a separation of church and state. Because they interpret the laws, the Supreme Court has as much authority as the Constitution. I understand this and have tremendous respect for the law of the land.

"If indeed our Rights as enumerated in our Constitution are inalienable—that is, cannot be taken from us—because, as our founders wrote, they are granted to us by God the Creator Himself, what praytell becomes of those "Rights" once God is forbidden His rightful place... or even any place... in our society or Government?"

I assume this refers to the inalienable rights to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, which are enumerated in the Declaration of Independence not the Constitution. If one is to accept that as law, then it would be just as easy to say state support of Christianity affects the pursuit of happiness of non-Christians. Which brings me to...

"Whether our discourse in this matter offends some Muslims or Krishnas is not at issue. It is, in fact, a non-issue, and has no place in our deliberations. It is a diversion concocted by those who hate God."

Why is this a non-issue? The inalienable rights mentioned here are granted to all Americans, no?

I don't need my religion to be in public places or supported by my government. As long as I can pray when I want to and go to church when I want to, I will never see my government as an opponent. This is because I realize that the establishment clause says no religion may be supported by the state, and that extends to all religions, not just Christianity.

"I assume this refers to the inalienable rights to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, which are enumerated in the Declaration of Independence not the Constitution."

See what happens when we "ass u me"? I also refer to the Bill of Rights (Amendments 1-10 of the Constitution). When in the Declaration it states that all men are endowed with inalienable rights by our Creator, it goes on to state that "among them are"...

...it does not state that those rights listed in the Declaration are the only rights we are given by God. Nor does it imply this. Nor should you infer this.

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So you think this is a nation under God?

It is clear that God raised up this nation - Washington said so in his inaugural address, and Franklin said as much. Many founders believed it. We were a Christian nation then (more than 99%).

We are a nation under God in the sense that God established us and lets us exist...for now. All nations are under God whether they acknowledge that fact or not. Our founders acdnowledged it in that now obscure document known as the Declaration of Independence.

But are we truly under God in the moral sense? No. This nation is on a moral freefall like the world has never seen. This moral freefall can be seen in the bad laws we make, the growing power of the federal government (tyranny), the bad leaders we have and have had in the courts, the Congress and President (Clinton!), as well as in the Nazi-like Democratic Party. These bad leaders are a direct reflection of the people.

A lady asked Franklin after the Constitutional Convention what form of government we had. He replied, "A republic, if ou can keep it." Can we keep it? I don't think so. I have very little hope for this nation. Once a nation is this far down the road of moral awfulness, there is no historical precedent for believing that we will recover. It would take an act of God.

"I stand with you. But the battle is much bigger and deeper than the "under God" issue."

Indeed it is, as I go on to point out in the rest of the article. If I had to choose one with whom to stand shoulder-to-shoulder, on point, or guarding your six, I could not be more honored than to stand beside an exmarine!

May God bless you.

And, YES!, that is what the 1776 Revolution was all about, and it is what this one is all about!

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"So you think this is a nation under God?"

Let's put aside, for the moment, what I think.

That America is a nation founded under God, protected by God, and built upon God's Word is what our Founders said of the nation they established as a Constitutional Republic...

...and here's what the Library of Congress has to say on this same topic:

http://lcweb.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/religion.html

What reprobates and satan-followers since then have done to it is another matter. What reprobates and satan-followers are trying to do to it now, and what the appropriate Christian response to this onslaught should be, is the topic of this article.

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"So you think this is a nation under God?"

Let's put aside, for the moment, what I think.

That America is a nation founded under God, protected by God, and built upon God's Word is what our Founders said of the nation they established as a Constitutional Republic...

...and here's what the Library of Congress has to say on this same topic:

http://lcweb.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/religion.html

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I don't need my religion to be in public places or supported by my government. As long as I can pray when I want to and go to church when I want to, I will never see my government as an opponent. This is because I realize that the establishment clause says no religion may be supported by the state, and that extends to all religions, not just Christianity.

I do. I don't want The TRUTH on the margin or relegated to private homes. The first amendment says nothing about public/private. Furthermore, our founders were NOT private about theirs:

Jefferson attended church in the Chambers of Congress and worship was conducted by the U.S. Marine Corps band (how blatant can he be about violating separation of church and state!);

Charles Thompson (signer of D of I) translated first bible for America (Thompson bible)'

John Witherspoon (signer) - TWO translations of bible

J. Langdon and Charles C. Pinckney - founded the American bible society - going strong today!

Benjamin Rush - manager of American Bible society (was it a private society? Not if they wanted to pass out their bibles!); Charles Hopkinson (signer) - published book of psalms set to music so we can sing them like David did - nothing private about that.

There are many other facts like these that I could cite. So, your contention is wrong and it is actually dangerous. You may want to settle for marginalization of Christianity, I AM NOT SIR. I shall not put Jesus Christ in a closet for anyone!

If indeed our Rights as enumerated in our Constitution are inalienable—that is, cannot be taken from us—because, as our founders wrote, they are granted to us by God the Creator Himself, what praytell becomes of those "Rights" once God is forbidden His rightful place... or even any place... in our society or Government?

G, this is a straw man argument.

The guy in California is an atheist who objected to his daughter being forced to recite the pledge, containing "under God". One of the possible outcomes of the SCOTUS could very well be that he has no standing. He was not forced to recite, and his daughter is a Christian who says she doesn't mind the pledge as it is.

It's a silly case.

But others are not, like Judge Moore in Alabama. It was not so much his monument, but what he said. He had previously been upheld in his Ten Commandments plaque in his courtroom. But a 2-1/2 ton monument in the rotunda, combined with statements like "God's law is above secular law" and "Our laws are founded on the Ten Commandments" got it bounced.

Our secular law does not, and should not, address religious matters - if we want to protect individual rights, including freedom of religion. No one stopped Moore from doing anything in his personal life. All of his fellow Alabama Supreme Court justices, and the very Christian Alabama Attorney General, quite rightly stopped him from abusing his government position to advance a religious agenda.

While there certainly our people who reject God, this claim of God being removed from people's lives is alarmist at best.

"Prove to me that Government support of Christianity is an unalienable right."

Sure, once you prove to me that as you type here on FreeRepublic, you're wearing pink fishnet stockings, black garter belts, and your wife's bra.

What I mean by that is, I am not calling for Govenment support of Christianity in this post, and your demand has nothing to do with what is being discussed here in my article.

I am asking for Christians to support Christianity.

I am asking if Christians feel they can still support the direction this country is headed in, or is it time for us to make our true beliefs known much more vocally.

Your screed is a capital-"L" Liberal dodge of what is being discussed here, and I feel moved to point that out, and thwart it at every serpentlike twist and turn. Forwarned is forearmed.

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Bingo ! We have a winner !!!

Let's put aside, for the moment, what I think.

How convienient.

What reprobates and satan-followers are trying to do to it now, and what the appropriate Christian response to this onslaught should be, is the topic of this article.

The topic is whether children in government schools (which shouldn't exist in the first place) should be made to recite a government indoctronation chant. Particularly with a recently added phrase about God in it.

As a Christian, I need no help from a force based group of people to worship God.

And most of the things in the chant are incorrect. More of a wish list than a reality.

No, I'm addressing the complete invalidity of one of your examples.

As far as an 'all-out assault' on Christian America goes...well, I'm still unable to buy any form of alcohol on Sunday due to Christian laws on the books in my state. As a responsible adult, I consider this religious Blue law to be an affront on individual maturity. Why Christians are allowed to impose their ideas of morality on what they feel I can and cannot do on a Sunday is exactly the same type of law system found in Saudi Arabia.

Is that what you want? A theocracy?

Last I checked, no Christian's right to worship in a church has been prohibited. Until that happens, I don't care about this pseudo "assault".

I'm glad your article at least didn't mention incorrectly anything about prayer in schools, since no school student is forbidden from quietly praying to themselves. Good job!

"I don't need my religion to be in public places or supported by my government."

Certainly not. But the American Government needs to comport itself in a manner that truly deserves the support of Christians, or it needs to be reminded of its appropriate role by them.

The alternative is to have the Socialists and NAMBLA and the ACLU (did I just repeat myself?) telling our Government how they'd like it to behave, and I'd like to hear Washington's or Jefferson's opinion of that proposal.

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Our secular law does not, and should not, address religious matters - if we want to protect individual rights, including freedom of religion. No one stopped Moore from doing anything in his personal life. All of his fellow Alabama Supreme Court justices, and the very Christian Alabama Attorney General, quite rightly stopped him from abusing his government position to advance a religious agenda.

Would you mind telling me what "Law" Roy Moore broke with his decalog? Hint: There isn't one! It's arbitary law from a judge who can't make laws according to the constitution!!

Do I need to educate you on the origins of the PHONEY doctrine of "wall of separation of church and state"? It started in 1947 (Everson Decision). Where was it for the preceding 170 years? Hint: It DIDN'T EXIST!

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