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Missouri governor says he'll pardon St. Louis couple who pointed guns at protesters after indictment
The Hill ^ | 10/7/2020 | Aris Folley

Posted on 10/08/2020 7:49:41 AM PDT by Zenyatta

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21 posted on 10/08/2020 8:11:06 AM PDT by PROCON (MOLON LABE)
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To: kara37

https://www.wklaw.com/governors-pardon-destroy-your-criminal-record/

While receiving a pardon will restore some of your rights, it will not seal or destroy your criminal record. This means that you will still have to inform new employers of your criminal conviction and disclose this information in any other situation that requires you to do so.


22 posted on 10/08/2020 8:13:17 AM PDT by READINABLUESTATE ( Deplorable, and proud of it.)
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To: Zenyatta
"We'll let it play out and see how this all comes out in the courts"

This is a travesty. The process itself is punishment. The government can destroy lives without a conviction.

The court process is misery and takes over a person's entire life. This couple could lose their homes, their livelihood, the wealth they have saved over lifetimes of hard work, so the Governor can score points by waiting for a conviction. The Governor is allowing the couple to be tormented for no good reason.

23 posted on 10/08/2020 8:27:21 AM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (Trump is solving the world's problems only to distract us from Russia.)
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To: P-Marlowe
"If those are the conditions, they should plead guilty now and then get the pardon."

Maybe, but that is risky. The Governor has proven that he is wishy-washy by wanting to wait for a conviction.

24 posted on 10/08/2020 8:30:15 AM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (Trump is solving the world's problems only to distract us from Russia.)
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To: Zenyatta

Pardon them for a non-crime.


25 posted on 10/08/2020 8:33:05 AM PDT by Old Yeller (Life is tough, but at least it's short.)
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To: Zenyatta

NO!!!!!!! This needs to go to court. All the way up to SCOTUS if need be. We have to settle the issue on the 2A.


26 posted on 10/08/2020 8:35:24 AM PDT by Salvavida
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To: Sacajaweau

“exhibiting a weapon??”

Excuse me, while I exhibit this out.


27 posted on 10/08/2020 8:44:46 AM PDT by PLMerite ("They say that we were Cold Warriors. Yes, and a bloody good show, too." - Robert Conquest)
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To: Vigilanteman

And anarcho-tyranny on display, as well.


28 posted on 10/08/2020 8:55:28 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: PLMerite
Excuse me, while I exhibit this out.

Channeling 'The Gunny', is that your rifle or your gun? RIP R Lee Ermey.

29 posted on 10/08/2020 8:59:38 AM PDT by SES1066 (2020, VOTE your principles, VOTE your history, VOTE FOR ALL AMERICANS, VOTE colorblind!)
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To: Zenyatta; PROCON

Glad to hear this!


30 posted on 10/08/2020 9:22:50 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust post-Apocalyptic skill set.)
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To: Zenyatta

You gonna pay their legal bills, too, gov?


31 posted on 10/08/2020 9:26:47 AM PDT by mewzilla (Break out the mustard seeds.)
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To: SmokingJoe

So what if he’s not being bankrupted?!

He’s being harassed, threatened, robbed BY THE STATE.

I don’t care if the guy is Midas.

It is still WRONG.


32 posted on 10/08/2020 9:28:59 AM PDT by mewzilla (Break out the mustard seeds.)
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To: Zenyatta

Not good enough! All costs incurred by the couple because of this event should be refunded to the couple, from state “legal” funds currently directed to minorities, along with an amount for pain and suffering!


33 posted on 10/08/2020 9:35:34 AM PDT by SgtHooper (If you remember the 60's, YOU WEREN'T THERE!)
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To: Zenyatta
Mark and Patricia McCloskey, the white couple

And would they be under indictment if they weren't white?

34 posted on 10/08/2020 9:38:46 AM PDT by bassmaner (Hey commies: I'm a white male, and guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white g uilt' elschewhereive)
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To: Zenyatta

Left would do well to beware unintended consequences.

Seems the real crux of this case will be ... squatters’ right.

Apparently the couple laid claim to HOA property, in accordance with state property rights law, with a suit languishing in court for years - demanding title to the property. Seems they asserted “antagonistic possession” of the property (aka squatters’ right), likely some form of paying property taxes, openly maintaining the property, occasionally refusing public access, for >7 years, etc (I don’t have the details, but enough to expect rich lawyers know how to fulfill that law’s requirements to the point of actually demanding title via court). The case has been stalled, likely by HOA resisting what they know is legal, and screwed up prevention thereof. Core point: the property IS LEGALLY THEIRS and they just need to persuade the court to acknowledge and assign title to them.

This will become critical to the case to prove that, under state’s castle doctrine law, it was in fact their property which they are legally empowered to defend with threat of lethal force. This indictment will compel the court to address the squatters’ right ownership issue and assign title, at which point case closed.

At that point, the couple will have standing to sue the trespassers, and (?) the state for dropping charges against the mob, and some other form of wrongful abuse by the state. The probable payout will be highly motivating.

And in upholding the right to armed defense of property vs a “peaceful protest” lawbreaking mob, a lot of others will do same.


35 posted on 10/08/2020 9:39:37 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Interesting how those so interested in workERS are so disinterested in workING.)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

How about an indictment of kim gardner for falsifying evidence, after ordering a police lab to make Mrs. M’s gun operable for the trial? If a cop were to do that...More evidence of a two-tier justice system: One for actual Americans, the other for Soros flunkies.


36 posted on 10/08/2020 9:39:46 AM PDT by DPMD
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To: DPMD

That Kim Gardner is one piece of work. Eventually, karma will get her. She is a train wreck of a prosecutor.


37 posted on 10/08/2020 10:16:02 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Virtue signaling has no home here!)
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To: Zenyatta

In Missouri, 9 out of 12 votes are sufficient for a grand jury to return a true bill. Would not be hard to find a “willing jury” in StL.


38 posted on 10/08/2020 10:51:11 AM PDT by donozark (God save the Queen and the Quitobaquito Pupfish! LOL!)
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To: Zenyatta

There will be an acquittal. There are no laws against carrying on one’s own property, especially in light of vandalism, trespass and verbal threats. The prosecution pulled this out of their shorts.

But it will be expensive for this couple. As with Gen. Flynn, this will likely end up with the city of St Louis shucking out some big bucks in later legal action.


39 posted on 10/08/2020 1:41:04 PM PDT by lurk
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To: Zenyatta

Good!

It’s a start.


40 posted on 10/08/2020 1:48:53 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith.....)
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