Posted on 08/01/2010 7:36:01 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
What is odd is that she gave a bogus address for her father on her application. Actually, she gave her mother’s address, but used her father’s name. I think that’s odd. Does that represent a rift between her and her mother? Does that represent that she didn’t KNOW his address? These people seem to play fast and loose with addresses. The newspaper birth announcement listed an address for the young couple where they NEVER lived. They are/were odd, and I’m sure that everyone who ever knew them would attest to that. In fact, they already have many times over.
Except he has no supporting evidence he is and refuses to show any; unless, of course, it’s made up.
Well, it’s a non-issue if someone just says,
“I advocate ALL records-—birth, medical, and educational-—of ANY candidate for president must be entirely open and public.” There. Case solved.
For what it’s worth , the passport records indicated that they were not original, but a renewed one. The original would have been issued around 1961 . Approximately the time obama was born and Ann was thought of having gone to Kenya. The release of a renewed record only adds more questions to the issue. We still don’t know if she was in Kenya or hawaii when barry was born.
I guess you’re in the camp that thinks it’s fine to spit on the Constitution.
Glad you’ve made your position clear, anyway.
Yep -- and not a thinking Constitutionalist in the bunch.
Why is it so hard to answer honestly by saying that they have seen no evidence that he is a natural born citizen.
Anyone who spends a little time reading butterdezillion’s comments on FR - and she has a blog, too - will see that your assessment is entirely, 100% wrong. Wrong wrong wrong.
Link to one of butter’s excellent comments today, and the comment itself (more good discussion on the thread):
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2563007/posts?page=47
Duration of pregnancy, birth weight, and legitimacy are the 3 items required in the medical portion of the CDC’s Standard Birth Certificate for 1961. Everything required by the standard BC was also required by Hawaii law so no BC could be legally complete unless it contained those items.
Those items aren’t even printed on the long-form BC’s, much less the COLB’s, so Obama probably thought he could just add it to complete the BC and nobody would ever know. But the HDOH Administrative Rules say that any non-typo amendment made to the birth certificate has to be noted on any BC they print - including the abbreviated BC (COLB).
That’s why Obama had to make a forged COLB even though he could have a genuine one printed any time. The genuine COLB would have note that he added the birth weight in 2006. And he would have a 2006 BC#, because the BC was only completed when that birth weight was added.
And that missing birth weight is doubly problematic because it would have been so easy to resolve if Obama had actually been born in Hawaii. They had 30 days after the birth to get the baby to a doctor so that medical information could be added to complete the record. You’ve noted that as far as we can tell SAD was in Seattle 2 weeks after the birth. It’s still possible that she had the baby in Hawaii and then immediately traveled to Seattle. But if they went to the trouble of applying for a Hawaii BC for him I would think they’d have the baby examined so the BC could be completed - unless the child COULDN’T be examined by a Hawaii doctor because the baby wasn’t IN Hawaii, even during the 2 weeks before SAD was in Seattle.
Based on all the responses the HDOH has given, adding a birth weight is the only amendment that fits the responses. And it fits with other observed phenomena which I am not at liberty to reveal at this point.
I won’t reveal exactly what responses the HDOH have given which lead to this conclusion, because if the HDOH destroys the embedded transaction record for Obama’s file as they have destroyed other original evidence such as the original hand-written birth index for 1961 (or at least they claim it no longer exists), then the responses I’ve got on an external drive may be the only evidence left of what was REALLY done with his file. That is the danger when the fox guards the henhouse.
The fox IS guarding the henhouse and we all know it. That’s why it’s so outrageous that this passport FOIA response refers to records they imply may have been destroyed, even though such records are required to be permanent. At this point I think most of us realize that every government office is capable of breaking laws on Obama’s behalf, just as (so far) the Social Security Administration, Selective Service Administration, HDOH, and State Department have all apparently done - corrupting every official record that may exist for Obama.
Regarding Obama’s doctor in Chicago, his doctor at the time the amendment was made was David Scheiner, a Columbia University grad who protested the healthcare reform bill because it didn’t totally nationalize healthcare.
His partner is Quentin Young, one of the founders of the Democratic Socialists of America, which under the counsel of Francis Fox Piven (co-author of the Cloward-Piven Plan to overthrow America) morphed into The New Party in order to unite with the dems in an effort for the communists to take over the democratic party. Obama was a signed member of The New Party. As you probably know, Neil Abercrombie was also thick with the DSA. Quentin Young was at the party at Bill Ayers’ house where Obama was inducted into the Chicago political scene.
So no, I don’t believe that it is hyperbole to refer to Obama’s communist doctor. The communists in Chicago were all thick with each other, and that includes Obama’s doctor and his medical partner.
Based on the list of documents that can be used to furnish missing info on BC’s and the clues given by the HDOH’s own responses, I am almost certain that a page from a medical record was used to make this amendment.
We know that Obama used SOME kind of record to get into kindergarten, get his driver’s license, get a passport, etc. He didn’t have anything from Hawaii or Washington so it had to be from somewhere else. My suspicion is that Obama has a valid BC from wherever he was really born - whether that is Canada or Kenya. That BC was probably used to create a medical history for him which is in his medical file. By transferring the birth weight info from a Kenyan (for instance) BC to a medical file Obama’s doctor can “launder” the info so its original source is not known.
If you look in “Dreams” you’ll see that the details of Obama’s parents getting married, where they lived, etc are all very blurry. But there is one reference that is very concrete: the reference to Obama’s birth weight. If Obama and/or Ayers knew a birth weight for Obama it was from some other document besides the Hawaii BC if that was the item Obama amended. That would be evidence that there is a non-US birth certificate that SOMEBODY (specifically Obama, Ayers, and probably Scheiner & Young) has known all along.
A worthy party would demand proof and not let the opposition paint them as fools for asking.
It’s never been out of line in the past to expect the birth certificate and much, much more.
“Its a ridiculous issue and will be used to attack and defeat any Tea Party or conservative candidate since there’s no safe answer.
Well done, Birther morons and thanks for handing the country back to her enemies.”
Hawaii law provided for legitimation - that is, when unmarried parents got married they could get a whole new birth certificate made up to replace the original which was then destroyed - with the new one being exactly as if they had been married when the child was born.
And Obama says in his books that the facts regarding that marriage were murky. There was no embarrassment at acknowledging that SAD was pregnant outside of wedlock. In fact, one of the only decent things Obama ever did was to empathize with Bristol Palin’s plight because his mom had been in the same situation. So it doesn’t seem like that would be something he’d be afraid to reveal.
And the HDOH has actually given other clues regarding an amendment that Obama made to his BC. If the HDOH has answered requests accurately, it just about has to be his birth weight that he added to the BC to complete it in 2006. What he has to hide is that he wasn’t seen by a Hawaii doctor within 30 days of birth to have an estimate of the birth weight submitted by the doctor so the BC could be completed. The obvious question anybody who saw that amendment noted on his COLB would be “Why did it take 45 years for him to get a birth weight added to his BC, if he was really born in Hawaii?”
And especially since he has also claimed (apparently, on White House stationery with a raised seal) that he was born at Kapiolani Hospital. If his birth weight was only added to the record to make it complete in 2006 then it totally blows away his claim of being born at Kapiolani.
The origins of that Abercrombie letter aren't clear. Please see the Joe Kovacs article Did Obama even write letter to 'birth hospital'? Ignores repeated requests to authenticate Obama message declaring exact hospital.
Right. Obama won’t claim that he signed it but won’t claim that he didn’t either. One more instance where it would be so easy for him to just say he signed the stupid thing - but he won’t.
Even if he didn’t sign it he could say he did in order to cover for Abercrombie his friend, the crook who probably forged it if Obama didn’t really sign it. But he won’t do that either. For some reason he is unwilling to be legally pinned down as saying he was born at Kapiolani.
BO was not born in ANY hospital in Hawai'i.
Butterdezillion: you are amazing. Keep up the good work.
I have to retract my guess in post #24. I just looked at a couple of Hawaiian long forms on the Internet, and there appears to be nothing on the form to indicate whether or not the mother and father of the child are married. The form asks for the mother's maiden name, so that provides no help.
I still think that if Obama was born out of wedlock he might have tried to conceal it, though apparently that is not behind his failure to release his long form.
Somebody finally got hold of the passport records for Stanley Dunham, but everything before 1965 seems to be missing...
Oops! Obama mama passport ‘destroyed’
It only adds to the mystery.
I thought that the first record released showed that she had a PREVIOUS passport issued, i.e. sometime around 1961 to 1964 ........ when she was 18 to 21 and “attending” University somewhere......
Draw from this what inference that you will ...........
You renew every 5 years? (You get 3 years plus a two year extension?)
If thats true, she had a passport before she gave Birth to our Natioinal nightmare.
OK, wiseguys...please tell us what evidence you have to demonstrate that eligibility is a “ridiculous issue” and what incontrovertible proof you can present to show 0’s natural born citizenship.
By his own admission he is NOT a natural born citizen - (both parents US Citizens at the time of his birth).
Mario Apuzzo’s web site had a good explain/guess:
I believe it was a passport renewal application in 1965, because Obama’s family in Kenya says Stanley Ann (Dunham) Obama was there when Obama was born and government officials in Kenya state Obama was born there. Stanley Ann would have needed a passport in 1961 to get to Kenya and back to the USA. Since the 1965 passport was not in her 2nd marriage name when it was issued 4 months after her marriage to Lolo Soetoro, it is obvious to me she simply renewed her previously issued circa early 1961 original passport which was in either her maiden name or in the name of her first marriage name of Stanley Ann Obama, if issued after Feb 1961 when she is said to have married Barack Hussein Obama Sr.
A good explanation of the passport info (in the middle of the page):
She renewed this passport on August 13, 1968, per the date of the signature at the bottom of the form that has been omitted from this screen shot.
You can see the whole document here.
Birthers are running around with this like it is some kind of smoking gun when it tells exactly the opposite; that Stanley Ann probably never left the country before 1965.
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