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For Conservatives, a better way to avoid a Rudy nomination
Red State ^ | October 12, 2007 | Oz

Posted on 10/12/2007 2:34:44 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The way to avoid a Rudy nomination is to simply bury him in the primaries. Let's examine a few key facts.

1) The current national polls have Rudy at about 30%, Thompson at 21%, McCain at 13%, Romney at 11%, and Huckabee at 6%. The other 19% are either going for a minor candidate or are undecided.

2) Rudy is mostly leading because a) he's the only pro-choice candidate against seven pro-life candidates and b) he's supported by some conservatives because he's seen as the best chance to win.

3) While McCain is listed as third here, it's pretty generally accepted that he's more likely a fourth given his high negatives plus Romney's focus on the standard momentum theory of the primaries (Iowa + New Hampshire).

4) In other words, the pro-choice candidate has 30%, the pro-life candidates have 50%, and 20% of us are undecided.

5) The fix for this is fairly simple: If you support anyone other than Romney or Fred and you're a conservative, pick one of the top two conservatives NOW and create history. If half the McCain, Huckabee, Brownback, and undecided voters went for Thompson and half went for Romney, then we'd be looking at a three way race of Guiliani 30%, Thompson 36%, and Romney 26%.

6) That kind of movement would start to generate some buzz around Thompson and Romney and likely improve their poll numbers in the national standings as well which in turn might peel support back from Guiliani (some of the conservatives who think he's the only person who can win).

If you're one of the I won't vote for Guiliani in the General conservatives, now is your chance to do something about it:

Pick a conservative who has an actual chance of winning the nomination and get behind him.


TOPICS: Iowa; Massachusetts; New Hampshire; New York; South Carolina; Tennessee; Issues; Parties; Polls; State and Local
KEYWORDS: abortion; conservatives; election; electionpresident; elections; firstprinciples; fred; fredthompson; giuliani; gop; johnmccain; mikehuckabee; mitt; mittromney; proabortion; prochoice; prolife; republicans; romney; ronpaul; rudy; rudygiuliani; sambrownback; thompson
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Tend to agree with him.
1 posted on 10/12/2007 2:34:45 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Vote for Fred. Romney is a talking Head.


2 posted on 10/12/2007 2:36:02 PM PDT by I'm ALL Right! (THOMPSON '08)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Even simpler, everyone get behind the most historically conservative AND electable man and lets win this damn thing...
3 posted on 10/12/2007 2:39:42 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (265 pound Lemming with attitude for Thompson!)
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To: I'm ALL Right!
Fred08 - Contribute Now Well said!!
4 posted on 10/12/2007 2:40:10 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Security * Unity * Prosperity | Fred08.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

5 posted on 10/12/2007 2:44:25 PM PDT by mnehring (Ron Paul is as much of a Constitutionalist as Fred Phelps is a Christian.)
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To: ejonesie22
Giuliani? Why, you would not vote for good `ol Rudy?

Do you mean the "strong talking / good delivery / charismatic" Rudy?


Perhaps this Rudith?


Maybe this one?


How about `ol Stonwall Rudi?

New York City 2001 Gay Pride Parade It was less than three months before the unknowing and horrific September 11th, 2001, attacks (that's two) on New York City, that N.Y.C. Mayor Rudy Giuliani hosted his "8th Annual Gay Pride Celebration" at Gracie Mansion in Manhattan, New York. It was held on Thursday, June 21, 2001, and for the first time, at the perennial urging of S.V.A. President Williamson Henderson, and a few others, it was held not as an early morning breakfast but as an evening cocktail party.



Perhaps you are speaking of the Rudy that has possibly peaked and starting to slip?

Friday, October 12, 2007


The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows Rudy Giuliani with a double-digit lead for the third straight day in the race for the Republican Presidential Nomination. Giuliani is supported by 28% of Likely Primary Voters, ten points ahead of Fred Thompson who earns support from 18%. Mitt Romney slipped another point to 14%, John McCain is steady at 10% and while Mike Huckabee remains at 6% (see recent daily numbers).

That Rudy? Why, you are just mean-spirited.

6 posted on 10/12/2007 2:50:31 PM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The fix for this is fairly simple: If you support anyone other than Romney or Fred and you’re a conservative, pick one of the top two conservatives NOW and create history.
***Looks like Dobson and 50 evangelical leaders felt that your #5 was not a good stratergy. They may REALLY make history.


7 posted on 10/12/2007 3:49:15 PM PDT by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq— via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yep. Now’s the time to take Rudy out of this race.


8 posted on 10/12/2007 4:09:37 PM PDT by Josh Painter ("I'm not going to dance to anybody's tune." - Fred Thompson)
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To: Sturm Ruger; All
HERE'S HOW TO START: Fred08 - Contribute Now
9 posted on 10/12/2007 4:13:16 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Security * Unity * Prosperity | Fred08.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What the heck is a link to MySpace for? I don’t see any FRED stuff there??


10 posted on 10/12/2007 4:20:52 PM PDT by GRRRRR (The Libtards are spoiling for a big fight!)
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To: TLI

Actually your post has made me realize I would not vote for Rudy if he was the last (very ugly) woman on Earth...


11 posted on 10/12/2007 4:39:30 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (265 pound Lemming with attitude for Thompson!)
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To: ejonesie22

LOL! It just makes me wonder how ANYONE that had a conservative bone in their body could consider voting for the guy.


12 posted on 10/12/2007 4:45:39 PM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: TLI
Actualy, I accidently left out the best part...


13 posted on 10/12/2007 4:48:54 PM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: TLI

Well it does beg the difference between Republican and Conservative who is a Republican...


14 posted on 10/12/2007 4:50:17 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (265 pound Lemming with attitude for Thompson!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I also agree. Hopefully, over the next month, we’ll see more people considering this. According to the FR polls, Fred is an overwhelming favorite among both the members and lurkers. As things begin to shake out, I hope those who have fought the good fight for other candidates who have not gained enough momentum to win in the primary will gravitate toward him, too.


15 posted on 10/12/2007 4:57:22 PM PDT by Route66 (America's Main Street - - - President Fred D. Thompson /"The Constitution means what is says.")
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To: Route66
You’re ready the poll wrong, Fred gets less than 50%.

He cannot win with that kind of support even though FreeRepublic is conservative site.

Around 55% of Freepers will not vote for him ever!

That probably translates to about 30% of the general republican electorate. He cannot win with those numbers, not even close! Just like everyone has been stating, he splits the Republican Party and is the one Republican Candidate guaranteed to hand the Presidency to Hillary!

He is Toast!

It is also early in the poll’s life and I expect his numbers will drop.

16 posted on 10/12/2007 8:00:52 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie

Did you see this one?

http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/poll?poll=188;results=1

You might be looking at a different poll than the other freeper.


17 posted on 10/12/2007 8:30:08 PM PDT by daylilly
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To: SoConPubbie

The poll didn’t ASK if people would “vote for him ever”.

That’s some of the worst “analysis” of non-existent facts I have ever seen.


18 posted on 10/12/2007 8:38:37 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Of the potential GOP front runners, FT has one of the better records on immigration.- NumbersUSA)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’ll pick whoever is most competitive with Giuliani when Colorado’s primary roles along. I have to confess, I am excited about none of the candidates. I’m no longer sure any of them can beat Hillary. Sorry, feeling glum, and starting to feel that Rudy is going to win.

Can’t some group put out some commercials in primary states, with nothing but Giuliani clips? “In his own words” type stuff, that will horrify any Republican that sees them? After the primary will be too late. I’d rather we do it now than Hillary do it later.


19 posted on 10/12/2007 8:56:08 PM PDT by COgamer
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To: SoConPubbie

What in the world would make you believe most would not vote for him “ever”? Fred has negatives as do all candidates but I see none that would make him so reviled by so many. He is not a Rudy and few would say he’s not been a long time consistent conservative. I believe most conservatives really would see a clear and acceptable choice if the Democrat offering was Hillary. And, using your logic, if Fred [who clearly scores highest in the polls here] has no chance, then who CAN be our nominee? If you are more than 20 years old, surely you know that the GOP never has total agreement on a whoever we field in a presidential race. There was certainly not full agreement on GW Bush, but he was elected twice. I could not disagree more with your assessment.


20 posted on 10/12/2007 9:14:58 PM PDT by Route66 (America's Main Street - - - President Fred D. Thompson /"The Constitution means what is says.")
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