Posted on 08/23/2002 9:35:01 PM PDT by IamHD
I don't know when Utahn children start school, but Elizabeth should/would be starting the 9th grade, soon. :(
Must respectfully disagree on this one; the social lives of many 8th grade girls are laden with politics and drama...LOL! Of course, LE knows more than we do about what E's friends and classmates know.
hmmmmmmmm.......
If she were 'speaking from her heart' she wouldn't have quit this approach after 2-3 times and gone to other approaches, This was the plan du joir based on what they were thinking for whatever reason at the time and her thinking changed. Again I say, move on.
Only if they thought he was really cute....
Yes, just as elsewhere the affluent districts have remarkably better schools. The Park City schools are exceptional.
I wouldn't put my kids (if I had any) in private school here...
Why is that?
I don't think SHE would have stopped -- she was stopped by others who were afraid of such candid remarks. WHY they are afraid is open to speculation.
Thursday, August 1, 2002
BY KEVIN CANTERA
THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNE
Elizabeth was snatched from her bedroom by an armed intruder, an abduction witnessed only by the 9-year-old sister who shared her bed.The younger girl, who feigned sleep, has given police a partial description of the perpetrator but has not pointed to Ricci.
"If it's Richard, he needs to let us know where [Elizabeth] is. If it's not Richard, he needs to get out of the way," Smart said. "He needs to come forth and say what he was doing."
While this article is not that old as compared to some that are posted here for re-discussion, there has been a couple of significant things happen since this was printed. On the 14th of August the Smart family released their “To the Holder(s) of Elizabeth Ann Smart” letter. While the letter states in one part that “We believe that she is still alive”, in others it contains wording like “eagerly await information about her location” and “release her or inform us of her whereabouts”. I agree with jengaio’s analysis that these statements clearly indicate a shifting in the family’s position. In the beginning they were sure that Elizabeth was alive and that she would come home to them. As LE started to build their circumstantial case against Ricci, Ed made several comments expressing his doubt that Rick could have been involved. When Ricci continued to refuse to explain where the Jeep was during it’s absence from Moul’s garage the doubt’s started to creep in. The statement of Ed’s in the article above show’s his utter frustration with Ricci. Still not wanting to believe that Ricci was involved and pleading with him to clear the matter up so that the investigation can move forward.
Moving back to the Smart letter dated Aug 14th we find the following. “At this time the police have a potential suspect in custody.” This is obviously a reference to Ricci. The next statement is IMO the most telling in the letter. “Whether or not you are the person who took her, we are pleading with you to do the right thing and let her come home.” This statement is a clear indication that the family is convinced that Ricci was involved. It is a direct plea with him to either let her go or give the family some closure.
So between the 1st of August and the 14th of August we see the family moving from suspicions about Rick to a sure feeling that he was involved. The other significant event I want to mention took place in between these two dates and is a sure clue as to what caused this change in the family’s attitude. This was Lois Smarts statement on a local talk news program that Mary Katherine had recognized the abductors voice. This statement was probably not authorized by LE. I maintain that Mary Katherine picked out Richard Albert Ricci’s voice in an audio lineup. She probably made this identification sometime after the 1st of August.
For those of you who can’t stand us in the “All Ricci, All the time” club I can only say this. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.
Not sure, haven't heard anything yet.
"This guy should get the electric chair!"
Yep, or to save the taxpayer's some money, just take him out back and shoot him. :-)
I hear about this a lot. Is this typical in cases such as these? I heard that Westerfield was on suicide watch, too.
I've never heard of this. I have heard of some telling others to "get over it" though.
I think that once something of a violent nature comes to a person, one never forgets.
By the way, welcome to FR. :)
But not always, sandude. There are others in custody besides Ricci.
I can't imagine the Smarts would allow MK to leave their sides after revealing she recognized the voice. Don't you "All Ricci all the time" folks think that might be dangerous for the child? Especially since most of you think he had "accomplices."
How can you possibly take as gospel what Ed Smart says in public when he has parsed, contradicted and evaded issues so many times? He may have good reasons for doing this, but it doesn't foster credibility.
*It does NOT say LE found NO evidence that Elizabeth had used the computer;
*Dinse said questions were asked about what was found on the computers and that the questions were answered -- Dinse did NOT say the answers were satisfactory.
*The National Enquirer did not make up the computer story as some have charged, the information was from LE. Who "leaked" the info that the PC's contained porno info? Who knows, but it almost certainly came from SLC.
Here is the excerpt from June 21:
"As for the computers, Dinse said authorities were searching for indications Elizabeth had been talking to anyone online or receiving e-mails from anyone.
He would not say what was found on the hard drives, but emphasized that "we have found nothing on the computers that creates a nexus to this crime. There certainly were questions, and those questions have been asked and responded to."
Two personal computers and one with business material on it were among those turned over by the Smart family at police request, Dinse said, and all three now have been returned. He did not say who owned the other nine computers, but said "we are mostly done with [them]."
The National Enquirer tabloid newspaper is expected to publish a story today about the contents of the computer, said Det. Dwayne Baird."
Varina, I was reading one of the mormon boards tonite and came across these messages from people from SLC and elsewhere..If it weren't for the many boards, we'd never know about what's being said and going on in SLC because the media isn't discussing it, however, there's some leaks coming from the authorities, plus some of the things haven't been denied anywhere that I'm aware of..Here's the messages--
Subject: Do you see any indications that the Smarts may be into child porn? nt
Date: Aug 26 05:07 Author:Carolsue
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Subject: Re:The Smarts into child porn...< Date: Aug 26 10:39 Author:srice Mail Address:
The other day I had to take my car into the dealer and they give you a ride to work.
Well, the kid that drove me was what I call a little slow and he is also a mormon.
He started talking about some of the child abduction cases in Cal so I asked him what he thought about the Smart case.
He said that he heard that Elizabeth's Dad and his brother are gay and that they had porn on their computer and Elizabeth found it so they had to do away with her. (I haven't heard this story, has anyone else?)
Anyway, he said that in no way could that be true because they were upstanding Mormons. I looked at him and raised my eyebrow and didn't say a word. He then just kinda of mumbled something and changed the subject.
I should have told him how naive he was but I figured why waste my breath.
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Subject: Re:The Smarts into child porn...
Date: Aug 26 10:45 Author:Me Mail Address:
I heard from some good sources that Ed is a closet gay man. That gay porn was on his computer. He hired male escorts. He knew Reece and that it is possible that Reece and a couple of croonies took Elizabeth for ransom, Reece knowing the house intimately, they took her to a secluded place then Reece was arrested and by now with him in jail and all the media, the croonies have most likely paniced and done away with her.
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Subject: "I heard from some good sources" .... Uhuh, right. Yeah! National Enquirer maybe? nt
Date: Aug 26 11:07 Author:silk Mail Address:
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Subject: Re: "I heard from some good sources" .... Uhuh, right. Yeah! National Enquirer maybe? nt Date: Aug 26 20:29 Author:Me again Mail Address:
Good sources as in inside the Police dept. Yes someone tipped the Enquirer off. You would be amazed at some of the truth that does come out of that magazine. You actually think the SLC news would report this? Come on!
Subject: , My word, Me, I think you have shown something very important here.
Date: Aug 26 20:43 Author:Matt Mail Address:
If the SLC Police Department are so lazy, dumb, useless and utterly stupid that they can go blabbing details of the case to the world and his wife, it is no bloody wonder that they seem no closer to solving the Elizabeth Smart case. >o:||
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Subject: That's been my "gut" feeling all along. nt
Date: Aug 26 12:33 Author:Carolsue ------
Subject: Now do you see why I call the Utah cops idiots . . . Date: Aug 26 20:38 Author:Free Mail Address:
after my child had oral sex done to her by the Mormon neighbor chidren, the family and the ward started harrassing her endlessly. (The info got out into the community).
One day, the harrassment by the neighbors was so bad that my supervisor, BTW not LDS Utahn, said, "You need to go home and call the cops."
The cop came over and was willing to help. But after talking to a fellow Mormon, my neighbor, the cop came back and told me that I was being petty and to "get over the oral sex." I replied, "It is not about the oral sex any more, it is about the tires being popped, the name-calling, the wiping my daughter's face with snow, the stalking, etc, etc."
I said, "I don't care if you think I am petty. I just want them to know that I am sick and tired of my child being picked on and being called a 'bitch'."
BTW, the cop let me know she was LDS. She also said, "It's the goespel not the people." I replied, "The people make the church, you know."
The cop then replied, "Well, do you judge me by the actions of the California cops that beat the boy?"
"No," I replied. "But there is a major difference . . . my family and I are treated second class now by the neighbors and my next door neighbor, the SP, says to just ignore it."
Then I continued, "How am I suppose to look to my SP and the priesthood leaders when they tell me to ignore such crap? I am sorry, but I have a brain of my own and what's more is that I have self-respect."
Now the Utah cops are the same ones that said that my eight-year-old son needed to go to Third District Court in SL because of a rumor on the playground that he stole some Pokemon cards. (Is this incredible to you, or am I in denial)?
Do you find this unbelievable? Would this happen outside of Utah?
You know what my dad says? He says the Mormon neighbors don't think they are doing anything wrong. You know what my now grown-up daughter says? She says LDS people are just like dentists (I use to work for a group of dentists in the military), they stick up for each other.
You know what my child's social worker said: "They learned this from BY." Why did I, a BIC, know that this was wrong? I never learned this crap growing up! But, then again, my parents were pretty decent human beings and I thought all Mormons were like them.
Well, you know what? My dad says that the cops probably think I am nutty -- especially because I called them after the missionaries kept coming by and I said I'm not interested. But guess what . . . my neighbors and the missionaries are finally, FINALLY leaving me alone. I guess my co-worker from Arkansas was right. I really did need to call the cops. :-)
We need to protect our children and be strong and call the authorities because the laws need to be enforced. These people will not learn any other way. I swear, they are emotionally retarded or something.
I stated that it was Ricci's voice. He can't threaten Mary Katherine from where he's at.
Don't you "All Ricci all the time" folks think that might be dangerous for the child? Especially since most of you think he had "accomplices."
Why would the accomplice feel threatened by MK? I realize that this may be an oversimplification but really, all he has to do is keep his cool and hope Ricci doesn't crack.
How can you possibly take as gospel what Ed Smart says in public when he has parsed, contradicted and evaded issues so many times?
I'm not taking anything as gospel, I only brought out the themes in his statements and in the family's letter.
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