There are men on this thread who are saying in plain language what is wrong with the modern relationship between men and women. If it makes a woman feel better believing that men who say such things are simply women-haters, then let it be that way. But, hiding your head in the sand will not improve anything. The situation will still be the same or worse ten years from now. And, women will still be wondering why all of those men are "immature, mama's boys" who just don't appreciate a good woman when they see one.