[philomath]

You think the two subjects are totally unrelated?

i was pointing out the serious nature of some of the posters' dilemmas and life stories: unless you have been through or close to someone who has been through the legal meat grinder, the thread sounds like an ed gein reunion. this subject hurts so much precisely because of the twisting of love into greed and the intrusion of the state into what was a religious matter. if the guys here hadn't had higher hopes, they wouldn't be hashing this out and trying to make it better. it's bad enough when your dreams crumble, but to have the courts sifting through remains is unconscionable.
this is quite beyond t&a.....

[independentmind]

I do understand the anguish of some of the posters. I also understand (it was pointed out to me in great detail a few months ago) how unfairly some men are treated in divorce court. I really have to wonder, though, about the claim that men, in general, are more adversely affected by divorce than women.

What concerns me is that some of the positions advocated by men's rights movement will actually be even more destructive to marriage and children than the current arrangement.