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The FBI’s Gun Data Fail
patriotpost.us ^ | Oct. 13, 2025 | Thomas Gallatin

Posted on 10/18/2025 8:35:31 AM PDT by PROCON

A new report exposes that the Bureau’s data on instances of armed civilians stopping or preventing mass shootings is inaccurate and vastly undercounted.

One of the most popular claims by anti-Second Amendment groups is that firearms lead to more crime. Indeed, anti-gun advocates point to dubious studies that purportedly debunk the research by John R. Lott, an academic, economist, and head of the Crime Prevention Research Center (CPRC). Lott’s work definitively shows that higher concentrations of legal gun ownership result in less crime.

By contrast, leftist research often makes conflation and category errors, such as failing to make a clear distinction between suicide using a firearm and crime committed with a firearm. Suicide deaths by firearm are far more prevalent than crimes committed with firearms.

Furthermore, they claim that instances of firearms being used to prevent violent crime are much less frequent than instances of crimes happening because of guns. To make this argument, the gun-control lobby appeals to data from the FBI.

It turns out that the data the FBI has been providing is inaccurate. That’s because the FBI has been undercounting the number of instances in which armed civilians have thwarted active shooters.

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TOPICS: Military/Veterans; Society
KEYWORDS: banglist; citizen; cprc; fbi; johnlott; selfdefense

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Lott points out that the FBI has known about this issue and acknowledged its error three years ago, but has taken no action to rectify it. “In the years since,” he notes, “the problem has only gotten worse. Since RCI’s 2022 article, the FBI has acknowledged just three additional incidents of armed good Samaritans stopping active shooters from 2022 to 2024, and none in the last two years. In contrast, the Crime Prevention Research Center (CPRC), which I head, has documented 78 such cases over that same period — a 26-fold difference.”

1 posted on 10/18/2025 8:35:31 AM PDT by PROCON
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2 posted on 10/18/2025 8:36:29 AM PDT by PROCON (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: PROCON

KASH PATEL NEEDS TO BE QUESTIONED ABOUT THIS BEFORE AN OPEN TO THE PUBLIC SENATE COMMITTEE.


3 posted on 10/18/2025 8:44:49 AM PDT by Candor7 (Ask not for whom the Trump Trolls,He trolls for thee!<img src="" width=500</img><a href="">tag</a>) )
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To: PROCON

There’s an implication here that ALL armed defensive uses would even be reported. Lott himself pointed out in previous works that in a grand majority of cases of defensive handgun use, a shot is never fired. It would be impossible to even guess at numbers of violent crimes stopped from brandishing alone given that a crime wasn’t committed in that instance.

This also assumes reporting to LE. If brandishing alone was sufficient to allow someone to flee, would reporting even be necessary? On the other hand, without that gun and the intent to use it, that individual may have been shot or, worse, killed.

FBI should stick to facts it CAN report on accurately, meaning that they shouldn’t be trying to report on defensive firearm use outside of reported incidents, and those statistics should be heavily disclaimed.


4 posted on 10/18/2025 8:58:05 AM PDT by rarestia (“A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.” -Hamilton)
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To: PROCON

To take off from a comment in Casablanca. “Under reporting. I am shocked!”


5 posted on 10/18/2025 9:05:07 AM PDT by Retain Mike ( Sat Cong)
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To: rarestia

Taking it a step further, how many people are safer simply because of concealed carry laws? It’s incalculable.


6 posted on 10/18/2025 9:09:21 AM PDT by gundog (The ends justify the mean tweets. )
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To: Candor7
KASH PATEL NEEDS TO BE QUESTIONED ABOUT THIS BEFORE AN OPEN TO THE PUBLIC SENATE COMMITTEE.

Certainly this needs to be addressed by Patel but of course this atrocity precedes him and the Trump admin.

As we know, the swamp is deep!

7 posted on 10/18/2025 9:14:27 AM PDT by PROCON (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: PROCON

What a shock! /s


8 posted on 10/18/2025 9:41:02 AM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is rabble-rising Sam Adams now that we need him? Is his name Trump, now?)
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To: PROCON

Senate Committee question...and then a schedule of call backs.

This has to be put to bed.


9 posted on 10/18/2025 9:41:41 AM PDT by Candor7 (Ask not for whom the Trump Trolls,He trolls for thee!<img src="" width=500</img><a href="">tag</a>) )
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To: PROCON

My life in Chicago’s inner city has been saved twice by bystanders who pulled out their concealed carry to force my attackers to back off. No shots were fire. No police report. The bystanders did not want publicity.

1) Most success, and most failure, of concealed carry is in high crime areas.
2) High crime areas are not obsessed with statistics like low crime areas.
3) People who practice Conceal Carry value the “conceal” aspect and do not want publicity.
4) In Chicago (and most high crime areas) half the police will look the other way on the person who uses conceal carry to protect their neighbors. But half the police will arrest the person practicing conceal carry along with the aggressor. Who knows what type of police officer will shop up?
5) The #1 function of Police Reports is to file insurance claims. People in high crime areas can’t afford insurance, whose rates are very high in high crime areas. So there is no reason to file a Police Report that draws attention to the complainant and not to the criminal.


10 posted on 10/18/2025 11:24:58 AM PDT by spintreebob
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To: rarestia

The reason most defensive uses of firearms go unreported is because the police will attempt to make the defender into the bad guy and arrest and charge him/her with some bullsh!t charge.


11 posted on 10/18/2025 3:22:31 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (No Jesus. No Peace.... Know Jesus. Know peace.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Police and grandstanding DAs intent on anarcho-tyranny.


12 posted on 10/19/2025 1:24:22 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Depends on where it happens. New York: very much so. LA: count on it. Florida: not so much.


13 posted on 10/19/2025 1:58:58 AM PDT by rarestia (“A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.” -Hamilton)
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