[daniel1212]

I find it interesting that in this story, Joseph chides him for breaking the Sabbath, and not for creating the birds. I just looked it up. Jesus’ response was to ignore his dad and release the birds. When the priest heard and chided Jesus, Jesus said some words and the priest’s son “withered away”. Then he caused an entire crowd of people to go blind. I didn’t read far enough to come to the point where the child has some sort of epiphany and becomes the person we know of in the Bible. Another thing that is interesting is that His first REAL miracle was fairly mundane (as miracles go); turning water into wine. And He didn’t make a big show about it.

Yes, "This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him." (John 2:11) But it may be possible to understand this as meaning the beginning of miracles as a ministry of such.

And did it perhaps reluctantly, only after his mom requested that he do it. Moms are good about stuff like that - knowing when their child is ready and giving them a little push!

Rather than knowing when their child is ready and giving them a little push, she was responding to an important need, and looking to her savior for a solution, already knowing He was the One to help.

And a study the use of the phrase "what have I to do with thee" (2 Samuel 16:9; 1 Kings 17:18; 2 Kings 3:13; 2 Chronicles 35:21) shows that it is a challenge to the presumed justifiable nature of the request, and not as if the object of such is under any obligation to provide what is requested. But which premise Catholic devotees of their Mary find offensive.

Meanwhile, the Lord is again reminding Mary that His highest obligation is to obey His Heavenly Father, but who sanctioned this compassionate request for human need.

[metmom]

I have often wondered about the water into wine account.

I was thinking that it was possible they were at a relatives wedding, and when they ran out of wine if Mary had not done one of two things.

One is just go up to Him and say it, as anyone would in that situation, just talking about it. n If mr. mm and I were at a wedding and they ran out of wine, I have no doubt that one of us would say to the other, *Oh no. They ran out of wine,* just for informing them.

The other thing is, if it were a relatives wedding, maybe she went to Him expecting Him to solve it in the usual way. Have someone go and buy more wine.

I SERIOUSLY doubt she anticipated the way He dealt with it.

[fishtank]

Dig the tranny vibes in verse 114 of the gospel of Thomas.

Who says the ancient Gnostics didn't know how to celebrate Pride month???

\sarcasm off