I see them, touch them, they have mass, and if a person’s eyes are closed, I can touch them many feet from a person’s physical body and knock them over.
They are real physical objects.
But consciousness is not. Meditation is not. Prayer is not.
Now, they may manifest physical things, but they are not physical things.
Thoughts are things, but not physical, tangible things.They are discrete units of consciousness.
There may be a physical frame, but consciousness is not a physical thing.