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The Ukrainian men fleeing the draft: ‘Not everyone is a warrior’ - BBC World Service Documentaries
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Posted on 11/24/2023 5:53:07 AM PST by ganeemead

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"I'm a lover not a fighter"


21 posted on 11/24/2023 7:20:14 AM PST by BipolarBob (I never grew up, I just learned how to act around grownups.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Davydov is making money off his draft-dodging

So are the misfits spamming the board with his slop.

22 posted on 11/24/2023 7:35:02 AM PST by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: Chainmail
heroic population of Ukraine

I suppose Zelensky & his government inspires you, but thousands of other "recruits" are being dragged off the street and shipped to the front as target practice.

Hos much American foreign aid do you think Zelensky has stolen?

23 posted on 11/24/2023 7:40:47 AM PST by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: ganeemead

It would be pretty cool to have access to the balances in the Zelenskyyyy and Bidenskyyyyy bank accounts once this Ukraine fiasco is over. The number one reason for this Ukraine/Ruzzki fiasco was to distract the ignorant here in this country from the invasion of sewage flowing into America. And you can take that to the bank.


24 posted on 11/24/2023 7:41:30 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (It wasn't "genocide" when Hamas did it. Hypocrites!!!)
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To: JonPreston

REPORT: The Pentagon Just Failed its Sixth Straight Audit – Trillions of Dollars ‘Missing’

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/4199023/posts

I think we have a clue where this American taxpayer $$ is going.


25 posted on 11/24/2023 7:43:59 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (America Owes Anita Bryant An Enormous Apology)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

I hated being in Vietnam. The place really sucked.


26 posted on 11/24/2023 7:53:22 AM PST by Mark17 (Retired USAF air traffic controller. Father of USAF Captain & pilot. Both bitten by the aviation bug)
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To: mac_truck; Chainmail

I knew a lot of those guys, they were mostly cowardly fellows who wanted to avoid serving in the military and were almost universally smug about it at the time.

A lot of them became pretenders when they got older and they realized they had missed a part of the male expression of serving in the military, they started lying to chicks in the night clubs and bars.


27 posted on 11/24/2023 7:56:52 AM PST by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: ganeemead
Additional press:
'I was afraid of it': the Ukrainians dodging conscription and fleeing the country EuroNews with Agence France Presse, 1 September 2023

200k Ukrainian men have dodged draft by migrating to Germany Brussels Signal, 11 September 2023

Ukraine draft dodgers dream up extreme ways to avoid the front The Times UK, 23 September 2023

Swimming rivers and faking illness to escape Ukraine's draft BBC, 16 November 2023 Print version.


28 posted on 11/24/2023 7:59:54 AM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: struggle

I think I saw on here the other day that Russia hasn’t even fully mobilized yet. They’re kind of half-assing it.


29 posted on 11/24/2023 8:17:43 AM PST by nonliberal (Z.)
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To: ganeemead

How sad. I have an idea. The phony freeper Uke Intel propagandists can all sign up. As dedicated as they are I’m surprised they haven’t already. It is incumbent on all who see Russia as an existential threat to pick up a rifle and proceed to the front.


30 posted on 11/24/2023 8:24:03 AM PST by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: ganeemead

When there are no more warriors, all that’s left becomes slaves.


31 posted on 11/24/2023 8:30:58 AM PST by Enterprise
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To: janetjanet998

Those poor men. They would be retirement age for the U.S. Military


32 posted on 11/24/2023 8:34:34 AM PST by Enterprise
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To: Mark17; All
"I hated being in Vietnam. The place really sucked."

Most people would need two things to feel good about going into a war, i.e. a decent cause and a decent chance to win. Neither Vietnam nor Ukraine had/has either of the two.

And there is another consideration that seems obvious to me:

There needs to be a minimum set of conditions for ever using draftees in combat, which to me would amount to a full declaration of war by the US Senate and a full national commitment to destroy some enemy in the most efficient manner, and we never had that for Vietnam either.

The idea of telling the boy next door that he has any kind of a patriotic duty to go into harms way for some kind of a geopolitical game strikes me as heinous.

33 posted on 11/24/2023 8:44:18 AM PST by ganeemead (everything )
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To: ganeemead

“Ukrainians” don’t want to be killed by “Russians,” but “Russians” love to be killed by “Ukrainians.” So far, 300,000 “Russians” have had their desire fulfilled.


34 posted on 11/24/2023 9:00:40 AM PST by Redmen4ever
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To: Mark17

It was horrific for many.

I had a friend in college whose father was captured and paraded through villages in a cage.

People stabbed him with sharp sticks and threw boiling water on him… before he went to a POW camp.


35 posted on 11/24/2023 9:11:12 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (🦅MAGADONIAN⚔️)
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To: gundog

It was useless.

We can’t police or provide military protection to the world.

VN is still communist
China still communist
Cuba still communist.

We lost ~50,000 good Americans.


36 posted on 11/24/2023 9:13:54 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (🦅MAGADONIAN⚔️)
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To: ganeemead
More Russians Flee Than Join Putin’s Army After War Call-Up
37 posted on 11/24/2023 9:38:20 AM PST by Apparatchik (If you find yourself in a confusing situation, simply laugh knowingly and walk away - Jim Ignatowski)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

True, but a lot of CSS was badly abused by our modern idiot generals. Running those convoys down unsecured MSRs for YEARS and watching them get continuously blasted by IEDs should have landed those generals in prison.
No OV-10s watching those roads at night, no snipers and recon teams assassinating bomb planters. The effort to secure those roads was a poor joke.
And then of course, their rampant abuse of Special Forces as Infantry was insane as well.

That platoon of SEALS killed in the helo. They send out a very weak infantry force down a road. Refuse to give them arty or CAS when his but instead send a flying clown car packed with SEALS to act as a supernumerary react force.
That was the brilliant generalship. Refuse to use our arty and air and tech... but instead make every fight an infantry rifle fight.

But CSS people were flat out abused. I was appalled to watch those red ball express convoys go month after month down those unsecure routes. Imagine what WWII generals would have done to secure those routes.


38 posted on 11/24/2023 9:41:26 AM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: ansel12
A lot of them became pretenders when they got older and they realized they had missed a part of the male expression of serving in the military, they started lying to chicks in the night clubs and bars.

Cool story bro...and greetings from Yasgur's farm.


39 posted on 11/24/2023 9:42:57 AM PST by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: ganeemead

“Most people would need two things to feel good about going into a war, i.e. a decent cause and a decent chance to win. Neither Vietnam nor Ukraine had/has either of the two.”

That’s effed up. In retrospect, Vietnam might not have ever been a place we could nail down without invading the north, sinking Russian and Chinese cargo ships etc.
But it was a good cause.


40 posted on 11/24/2023 9:45:01 AM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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