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To: ought-six

You’re a liar, Ivan; which is par for the course for you folks.==

Look like you have lost argument so you turned to a personal attacks. SO cheap move.

and I understand English is not your language,==

Yeah maybe but my English is better than your Russian. So I have a ability to read much more sources than you. SO I know better our history.

The 1938 Munich Agreement was not an alliance.==

I guess historical actions contradict this because it allowed Germany to partition Czechoslovakia. What else truly allies can do to each other?

Germany and Russia (USSR) were allies against Poland.==

They just partitioned Poland in 1939. Similar act like with Czechoslovakia year ago. But you call Germany-USSR allies but not Germany-France/UK. It is confusing.

Russia (USSR) was making a claim for certain islands and territories that were Finnish — sound familiar, Ivan?==

Finns occupied them in 1918 when there was a civil war in Russia so Russia never agreed with that. So Soviet Union returned them back.

And you have the gall to go on and assert that since the 18th century whichever side Russia was on, won?==

Even from 17 century it was. And I talked about a coalitions in Europe or world. If Russia gets on one side than this side wins. It is a fact.

How did that work out for you guys in 1905 against Japan, Ivan? Or in the Crimean War of 1853-1856, when Russia lost and had to give up the Danube Delta and Southern Bessarabia?==

Yeah I admitted that Russia may lose some battles but she ALWAYS come back and again and again until she wins.

SO Crimean war wasn’t any benefits for France/UK coalition. But the consequences was that Russia began to help Prussia to unite Germany and helped new Germany to get strength and to win 1870 war against France. Germany won in 1870. And France lost Elzas and Lotharingia 2 provinces to Germans. It was Russia revenge for Crimean war.

So after losing 1870 war France did EVRYTHING to bring Russia on France/UK side so in WW1 Russia was NOT on a side of Germany. And Germany lost.

As I said the coalition which has Russia on her side always wins. Proved historical fact.

How did that work out for you guys in 1905 against Japan, Ivan?==

Soviet Union repaid Japan in 1945 to defeat her and took few mlns of Japan POWs and also all territorial loses of 1905 and some more. SO now Russia is satisfied with Japan.


142 posted on 04/16/2023 1:38:39 PM PDT by nickfrost1
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To: nickfrost1

Listen to you! You contradict yourself repeatedly.

I lost no argument. I said you are a liar because you are.

You erroneously claim that the 1938 Munich Agreement was an alliance among Germany, Britain, and France. It was no such thing. The facts simply do not support you.

Then you ludicrously claim that Germany and Russia were not allies in September, 1939. Yet, they agreed to invade and divide Poland between them! Sounds like an alliance to any sentient being, which excludes you.

As for the Finnish conflict, the islands and territories that Russia coveted were Finnish, and were recognized as Finnish by the international community. That is why Russia (USSR) was kicked out of the league of Nations when it invaded Finland in 1939.

Then you embarrass yourself and do Russia no favors by saying that since the 18th century Russia could NOT win a war UNLESS it was part of a coalition. In other words, Russia was wholly incapable of any kind of military victory by itself, and had to rely on others to effect a win. Your handlers will not be happy with you for that one, Ivan.

You go on to concede that Russia may lose some battles but always in the end won the wars. How, pray, did Russia win the Russo-Japanese War of 1905? How did Russia win the Crimean War of 1853-1856? The simple fact is, it didn’t.

And then, incredibly, you trot out that Russia defeated Japan in 1945! You guys declared war on Japan on August 8, 1945, After Japan was all but beaten and the atom bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, and the day before the Nagasaki atomic bomb was dropped. So typical of you guys: You show up after the fact and then have the audacity to claim you won!

And you wonder why the world has such contempt for Russia?


146 posted on 04/16/2023 5:50:36 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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