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Best analogy for Ukraine starting war with Russia

Posted on 03/18/2023 7:31:02 AM PDT by ganeemead

The analogy with the present crisis in Ukraine and the story of the Chinese Tangut kingdom


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1 posted on 03/18/2023 7:31:02 AM PDT by ganeemead
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To: ganeemead

Well, but....Russia invaded Ukraine.


2 posted on 03/18/2023 7:33:03 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: ganeemead

Mirror-world. How did this mental malfunction leak into ours?


3 posted on 03/18/2023 7:35:15 AM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: rbg81

Putin tried everything he could think of to prevent this conflict. Ultimately he was left with no other way to protect Russia.


4 posted on 03/18/2023 7:35:50 AM PDT by ganeemead (Ukraine/Zelensky: Adding an element of chutzpah to ordinary Nazism...)
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Oh, here comes the crowd telling you Russia HAD to invade Ukraine. They had no choice, because NATO is a danger to the world and invades countries ALL the time.

It’s the same mentality as “we HAD to lock the country down” to save it, or you HAVE to take the safe and effective vaccine to keep others safe, etc., etc.


5 posted on 03/18/2023 7:38:37 AM PDT by AnglePark (My opinion is the most worthless thing I own...)
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“They had no choice, because NATO is a danger to the world and invades countries ALL the time.”

No, they only attack countries they don’t like, including Serbia, Libya, Syria, Kosovo...

Russia had NOTHING to worry about, as the Neocons just LOVE Russia.


6 posted on 03/18/2023 7:40:33 AM PDT by BobL
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To: ganeemead

Exactly like Hitler had no choice but to take the Sudetenland in order to prevent that other conflict, ja? Or da?


7 posted on 03/18/2023 7:41:15 AM PDT by lump in the melting pot (Believe nothing until it is denied by the Kremlin)
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To: ganeemead
Putin tried everything he could think of to prevent this conflict. Ultimately he was left with no other way to protect Russia.

B.S.!

He didn't consider NOT INVADING, and only considered taking over Ukraine, just like he too over Crimea and Georgia before that.

Putin himself has said that the biggest mistake of the last century was the break up of the Soviet Union, so, his goal has been to reconstitute the old USSR, and that's what he's up to.


8 posted on 03/18/2023 7:41:58 AM PDT by adorno
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To: lump in the melting pot

The response has been done before. Think PLO, IRA, Puerto Rican Nationalists. Then there’s South Africa under apartheid.


9 posted on 03/18/2023 7:43:45 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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To: BobL
You can picture these types hooked to their TeeVees, like Neo in The Matrix...
10 posted on 03/18/2023 7:47:25 AM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: AnglePark
"because NATO is a danger to the world and invades countries ALL the time."

That's a fact. My own favorite was nato bombing a totally innocent Christian nation (they hate Christians) for eighty days and nights including Easter sunday to take that Juanita Broaddrick rape allegation against SlicKKK KKKlintler and Chinagate off the front pages of our newspapers.

11 posted on 03/18/2023 7:52:51 AM PDT by ganeemead (Ukraine/Zelensky: Adding an element of chutzpah to ordinary Nazism...)
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Bad Analogy in many respects.

Ghengis khan was novel, brilliant, and revolutionary at war.. He was innovative in his tactics and training. Truly brilliant in that respect, perhaps better collectively than Alexander. He probably wouldn’t have taken a year to conquer Ukraine.

Temujin used terror as a weapon, used it to gather allies and followers, and spared and learned from those who had skills. The Russians appear to rape, murder, and destroy indiscriminately, not really a good comparison.

Frankly, Temujin wouldn’t have cared about the poor average farmers, working people, on the battlefield, and neither do the Russians, so that is a similarity.

The passage of information, the actual videos, that wasn’t present in Temujin’s time. That impression, that you’re doing good and saving the world with the bloodshed you’re creating is an important weapon. Also, that the conflict you’re fighting justifies the damage at home, both personally and economically. Temujin would have had an answer. What is Putin’s?


12 posted on 03/18/2023 7:53:08 AM PDT by Pete Dovgan
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To: adorno

They were talking about putting nato weapons right on the border with Russia.


13 posted on 03/18/2023 7:53:53 AM PDT by ganeemead (Ukraine/Zelensky: Adding an element of chutzpah to ordinary Nazism...)
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He probably wouldn’t have taken a year to conquer Ukraine.

Once more, with feeling:

It isn't about conquering the Ukraine.

It's about destroying the Ukrainian army, ala Clausewitz.

See Mariupol and Bakhmut.

14 posted on 03/18/2023 7:57:26 AM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: ganeemead

More like when Hitler and Stalin sent their armies to invade Poland in 1939. Poland lost two million murdered to these thug dictators. Russia attacking Poland from the east, murdered all of the captured Polish prisoners of war including over 5 thousand of Polish officers slain in the Katin Forest, buried in a mass grave.

The Nazis attacking from the East terror bombed Warsaw and later set up death camps in Poland that murdered millions.

All this was justified according to the Putin toadies who say that Putin is justified in invading Ukraine because like Hitler and Stalin, he felt that a small neighboring country was a threat that must be eliminated.


15 posted on 03/18/2023 8:01:26 AM PDT by Uncle Lonny
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It’s been here for a long while.

Just another chapter of useful idiots/Russian assets poisoning our nation. The exact same vermin that decried the ‘persecution’ of the Rosenbergs, slimed McCarthy, and argued that ‘Uncle Joe’ Stalin just wanted peace.

They’ve been playing us since Lenin convinced Armand Hammer the Revolution was the future and they’ll be doing it as long as there is a Russian left alive and a traitor in America who believes their lies.


16 posted on 03/18/2023 8:05:33 AM PDT by Aeneas2112 (YOU are your own first responder)
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They were talking about putting nato weapons right on the border with Russia.

NATO weapons didn't need to be on the border with Russia, since, NATO weapons can be effective from hundreds, if not thousands of miles away. If NATO weapons are Putin's escuse for invading Ukraine, then, it's a phony excuse, and he was looking to invade anyway.

However, the result of the invasion is that NATO weapons are now close to Russia, since those weapons being used by Ukraine are from NATO and the U.S. Invasion backfired! Big Time!
17 posted on 03/18/2023 8:07:09 AM PDT by adorno
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Well, but....Russia invaded Ukraine.

Yes. Correct.

Just like we invaded....

-Vietnam
-Iraq
-Afghanistan
-Serbia/Kosovo
-Lybia
-Granada
-Panama
-Cuba
-Sent US fleet to stop ruskies in international waters (Cuban Missle Crises 1961)

You get the picture.

18 posted on 03/18/2023 8:10:13 AM PDT by icclearly
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To: ganeemead

You are really trying to get extra credit points today, huh?


19 posted on 03/18/2023 8:14:05 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: BobL

LOL! Bazinga!


20 posted on 03/18/2023 8:16:35 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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