Posted on 02/27/2023 7:45:26 AM PST by SeekAndFind
Natural immunity to disease is, or at least was, a well-known concept in medicine.
By disease, I mean viral infections. One can’t develop natural immunity to diseases like diabetes or heart failure. Many of us remember “chicken pox parties” where when one kid was infectious, he or she was invited over to play with your kids, so they all got infected and then they did not have to worry about getting chicken pox again, due to natural immunity.
The CDC defines it as follows: “Natural immunity is acquired from exposure to the disease organism through infection with the actual disease.” Contrast this to: “Vaccine-induced immunity is acquired through the introduction of killed or weakened form of the disease organism through vaccination.”
Both can be effective depending on the virus, assuming exposure doesn’t kill you, and the type of vaccine, assuming one exists for that virus. As the CDC describes, “If an immune person comes into contact with that disease in the future, their immune system will recognize it and immediately produce the antibodies needed to fight it. Active immunity is long-lasting, and sometimes life-long.”
Yet with the COVID pandemic, this basic and longstanding medical concept became a right-wing, Q-Anon conspiracy theory.
Far-left Mother Jones described it, “Anti-vaxxers have a dangerous theory called ‘natural immunity.’ Now it’s going mainstream.”
The CDC: “Getting a COVID-19 vaccination is a safer and more dependable way to build immunity to COVID-19 than getting sick with COVID-19.
The Mayo Clinic: “It’s recommended that people who have already had COVID-19 get a COVID-19 vaccine.”
USA Today was also quite certain: “Fact check: COVID-19 vaccines provide safer, more consistent immunity than infection.”
Anyone saying otherwise was accused of spreading mis- or disinformation. For physicians this could manifest as a threat of or loss of medical license or employment.
(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
From the paper: “Protection from past infection against re-infection from pre-omicron variants was very high and remained high even after 40 weeks.” Immunity may last far longer. A 2020 study published in Nature found that after the 2003 SARS epidemic, a virus similar to COVID, infected patients had immunity 17 years later.
This was the length of surveillance meaning that immunity could last far longer, even a lifetime. For this SARS coronavirus, previous infection provided long term protection against reinfection. Or as Nature headlined: “Had COVID? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime.”
“Protection was substantially lower for the omicron BA.1 variant and declined more rapidly over time than protection against previous variants.” But their graphs still showed better protection from previous infection than vaccination.
Also, “Protection from severe disease was high for all variants.” This was the argument for vaccination that it would keep you out of the hospital and ICU, although natural immunity did just fine in this regard.
Although even that point about serious disease is in question. Steve Kirsch performed an analysis and found, “The government data from New Zealand shows that for each age group, the more you vax, the more likely you are to die from COVID.”
This is similar to the recent Cleveland Clinic study finding that the more vaccine doses one had the more one was likely to get COVID. If would be helpful of the CDC would carry out its own similar studies to either confirm or refute these reports. Rather than sticking to their guns and screaming “disinformation.”
Why is natural immunity more robust? One reason is that natural infection is through the respiratory tract via mucosal surfaces, as opposed to vaccination which bypasses mucous membranes and only provides immunity within the body. Natural infection provides mucosal immunity to future infection, at the point of viral entry into the body, whereas vaccine immunity does not.
Look at it another way. Natural infection locks the doors and windows to the house versus vaccine immunity which simply has a guard inside the house which can’t stop the bad guys from getting inside.
Another reason is that natural immunity protects against 29 viral proteins compared to vaccines which protect against only one protein, the spike protein. This would like guarding your home with 29 guards rather than only one.
The conspiracy theorists’ winning streak continues.
SeekAndFind writes:
The conspiracy theorists’ winning streak continues.
At this point I am beginning to wonder about the effectiveness of Tin Foil Hats.
Every last Medical Professional that denied this publicly should be stripped of their license to practice medicine, maybe even criminally prosecuted and put in prison for life for any death or injury as a result of their LIES.
Too many too impatient to let natural immunity take place.
Get the shot today, and party tonight.
Amen, Amen, Amen to your comments! Thank you.
IMO, every physician who pimped and are still pimping the poison jabs and boosters needs to be investigated and their competence as a physician determined. It’s always follow the money.
Especially when used as a rationale to deny other potential treatments, leaving the mRNA jab as the ONLY option. Or requiring mRNA jabs despite evidence of recovery from previous infection. Not to mention threatening licenses of doctors who questioned “the science”™ or jabs-for-jobs.
“The conspiracy theorists’ winning streak continues.”
What’s that like 12-0?
Every single item like “natural immunity, masks, lock downs, spread, vaccines, etc” I was excoriated by Co-workers, family and some friends. I guarantee I will never hear “You were right”. Because leftists lie to get what they want and they will continue to lie and deny the actual truth.
“At this point I am beginning to wonder about the effectiveness of Tin Foil Hats.”
It is proven that tin foil hats are far more effective than masks....
I was at a public event recently and an acquaintance asked if I had been vaccinated. These days it is better to not answer someone’s intrusive question about your vaccination status. It is none of their business to begin with and we even have these idiotic HIPPA laws which were intended to keep people who have AIDS from being “discriminated” against.
But, I am so sick and tired of the vaccine Nazis we have in this area lording over the rest of us that I said, “No, I have had Covid and now have natural immunity.” He skulked off and I assume started telling others, but who knows? At this point I really do not care what the idiots amongst us think.
It is hard for me to believe that we still have an active cadre here promoting the “vaccines” and denying that they likely have produced the most injuries and deaths of any vaccine in history. It is interesting to me that most of the longtime members here who actually are medical professionals are no longer found promoting the “vaccines”. We are now left with Covid “vaccine” proponents who I assume have mental issues, although some like President Trump just have a problem admitting when they were hoodwinked. I give President Trump a pass because he accomplished so many other good things.
“I was at a public event recently and an acquaintance asked if I had been vaccinated.”
Early on, I had two co-workers actually ask me if I was vaccinated-—they knew I had Covid and recovered, but still proceeded to ask. So before I answered their question I asked “Have you been vaccinated against VD”? Which they replied “How the hell does that have anything to do with anything”....I said “exactly”.
The conversation ended right there-—both times.
That whole vax push was because the left was hell bent on getting the vax in as many people as possible.
Remember 2023
When the scientific community once again discovered natural immunity?
We all remembered, but they ‘forgot’ in order to redefine “vaccine” so as to force a dangerous experimental gene therapy shot on people and make a butt ton of money doing so, all the while demonizing anyone who spoke out against it and shpwed by stats natural immunity would deal with over 99.7% of cases naturally.
Also new news in the Covid lies by our government!:
Dr. Fauci blasted over new revelations about COVID lab leak: ‘We need to crack this egg open’!
Rep. Van Drew reacts to Energy Department believing COVID likely leaked from China lab!!
New Jersey Rep. Jeff Van Drew (R) said on ‘Fox & Friends First’ Monday the American people want the truth about the origins of COVID after hearing repeated lies and “misinformation” from Dr. Anthony Fauci and officials. Van Drew, a former Democrat, said American taxpayer money was used to fund the research at a China lab where the virus is suspected to have leaked.
AS REPORTING ON CORONAVIRUS LAB LEAK THEORY GROWS, CRITICS ACCUSE MEDIA OF SUFFERING ‘AMNESIA’ ON TOPIC
JEFF VAN DREW: We’re going to dig in the House of Representatives.The House really wants to know true answers. These are some of the things we talked about even during the campaign. It’s enough. People are tired. They want a government that tells them the truth. They want a government that works for them. We don’t work for the government. I hate to say it this way, but this is sick stuff.
Excerpted:
https://www.foxnews.com/media/dr-fauci-blasted-new-revelations-covid-lab-leak-need-crack-egg-open
The fact idiots on the left were able to shelve something as solid as ' natural immunity' showcases the power of 'stupid and fashionable'... when played together.
" Natural immunity to disease is, or at least was, a well-known concept in medicine."
" By disease, I mean viral infections. One can’t develop natural immunity to diseases like diabetes or heart failure.
Many of us remember “chicken pox parties” where when one kid was infectious, he or she was invited over to play with your kids,
so they all got infected and then they did not have to worry about getting chicken pox again, due to natural immunity."
"The CDC defines it as follows: “Natural immunity is acquired from exposure to the disease organism through infection with the actual disease.”
Contrast this to:
“Vaccine-induced immunity is acquired through the introduction of killed or weakened form of the disease organism through vaccination.”
Extexasredhead (Post #6) :" IMO, every physician who pimped and are still pimping the poison jabs and boosters needs to be investigated
and their competence as a physician determined.
It’s always follow the money."
(My Opinion) : Cancel culture, loss of research funding, and threatening your medical license can be a strong motivator in decision making.
To my mind, the blending and incestuous inbreeding of government/Big Pharma/ media is a social construct designed and acting as one big propaganda act.
You should have known when the FDA had to re-write the definition of a "Vaccine" to accommodate the "Clot Shot" that something devious was amiss
with ignoring prior historical medical protocols after only little more than 4 months of clinical research, and then trying to hide the data for 75 years.
There is a reason why we humans have been blessed with a cognitive brain, and know the difference between 'common sense' and propaganda Bull Shite.
This danger to humanity continues to this day, with paid shills, advertising agencies, medical staffs and hospitals still pushing the ineffective masks, and 'clot shots'.
Unfortunately, the Nuremberg Trials for accountability will probably not happen as too many influential people,
international government agencies, and medical establishments remain involved in pushing this shot, even to this day.
That's too bad !
However, you can continue to use your brain, and remember who your friends are, and what you can expect from them.
Go forward with renewed faith that we will survive their bull shite.
... but they don't, and no one has yet proven otherwise.
(spoiler alert: they never will)
Personally, I have had COVID twice, first in 2020 then again last year. The second time was worse for me. OTOH, I am old and fat. I have never been vaccinated.
My adult kids and their spouses all had it last year (including one that had to get vaccinated to keep his job). For them it was like a mild cold. My grandkids probably got it at the same time, but had no symptoms and were never tested.
My mother in law was talked into getting vaccinated by her doctor. She died suddenly of a stroke two weeks after her second shot.
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