Yesterday, for the first time since the beginning of hostilities in Ukraine, Russian President Vladimir Putin received "peace proposals."

General SVR Telegram (Translated) ^ | 11/11/2022 | General SVR Telegram

[marcusmaximus]

Yesterday, for the first time since the beginning of hostilities in Ukraine, Russian President Vladimir Putin received "peace proposals."

We have already talked about the fact that Putin initiated behind-the-scenes talks through proxy intermediaries in various formats, with an attempt to reach agreements on freezing hostilities in Ukraine or to find a possibility of concluding a peace agreement, of course, taking into account the interests of the Russian leadership.

The "peace proposal" received yesterday comes from the intermediary country, but the channel that was used for the transfer and the persons participating in the process do not cause doubts about the serious intentions of the party.

Moreover, Putin was given strong recommendations not to dismiss the proposal, but to "cling to" the chance that could be presented to him and to think over his wishes "in detail" without changing the concept of the main points of the proposal.

Without going into details, the "peace proposal" has the following contours:

Russia withdraws troops from the occupied territories and allows the Armed Forces of Ukraine to reach the state border.

Crimea is taken out of brackets for seven years.

Russia receives guarantees of Ukraine's non-accession to NATO for seven years.

Crimea is a completely demilitarized zone. (Small Arms Only)

The Russian Navy's Black Sea Fleet is leaving Crimea.

The land border of Russia and the Republic of Belarus with Ukraine is a demilitarized zone of 100 km. (From Russian heavy weapons).

Guarantees of mutual non-attack are ready to fix and control six countries.

Transnistria comes under the control of Moldova.

Today and the next few days, Putin will discuss the proposal.

We are hopeful about the possibility of ending the conflict in Ukraine by concluding peace between the parties, so we do not give detailed information, do not identify countries and do not identify actors.

[Bruce Campbells Chin]

You're talking in circles and avoiding questions. Do you have any understanding of the military difficulty in forcing Russia out of Crimea? And given that, why would the Russians just leave voluntarily?

I've been pro-Ukraine the whole war, but I do understand military realities.

[MeganC]

I’m saying that I think the Battle of Crimea is going to look just like the Battle of Kherson. Russia will simply end up leaving.

[Zhang Fei]

[Taking Crimea would be a very long and bloody fight that Ukraine may well not win. The Russians would fortify the isthmus of Perekop, less than 5 miles wide, and there’s no way to flank it. Ideal defensive positions.]

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Let’s say Ukraine takes back what it had prior to the Feb 24. That means Crimea is cut off from fresh water. That makes Crimea’s situation worse than Kherson’s. The Kerch bridge is mostly down and can probably be rendered completely out of commission with ATACMS. Ultimately, without resupply except by ferry, it’s basically a waiting game until Crimea runs out of supplies. It’s one thing to resupply Crimea for day-to-day civilian functionality by ferry. To do it for a large Russian force - hard to see how they keep up any rate of fire, given fuel and ammo resupply problems.

[Bruce Campbells Chin]

Ukraine shut off water into Crimea back in 2014, but the Russians didn’t evacuate or surrender during that 7-8 years. Granted, they had the railroad, but unlike Kherson, Crimea can be supplied by large freighters and naval ships rather than just ferries across a river. And the frontage across which the Ukrainians would have to attack in Crimea would be so much more narrow than in Kherson.</I>

I just don’t see the Russians walking away from that. Ukraine may be able to retake it eventually, but the cost in lives would be very high. Just artillery slamming on both sides for a long time.

[BeauBo]

“Taking Crimea would be a very long and bloody fight that Ukraine may well not win. The Russians would fortify the isthmus of Perekop, less than 5 miles wide”

That is true. They had pre-existing defenses there, and have been digging more.

I guess it would be an extended (many month) siege of Crimea, rather than a frontal assault, with continued attrition from deep strike weapons like HIMARS, and lots of rear area attacks by Special Operations Forces, Partisans and drones.