Yesterday, for the first time since the beginning of hostilities in Ukraine, Russian President Vladimir Putin received "peace proposals."

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[norsky]

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[cranked]

You actually posted up a Blogger with a dubious, at best, history and track record as a ‘breaking’ NEWS?

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Seriously?

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[marcusmaximus]

Supposedly the intermediary to Russia was Saudi Arabia. But it’s most likely theater.

The real negotiations are happening U.S. and Turkey with Russia. And then U.S. and Turkey with Ukraine.

[gloryblaze]

Turkey was my hopeful guess.

[Bruce Campbells Chin]

That would be fantastic. War ends, and Russia doesn't profit from its invasion. That's the result that was necessary.

Still skeptical, but I hope it is true. Reparations and punishment of war criminals would be nice, but it was never going to happen anyway.

[marcusmaximus]

Turkey is playing both sides as usual.

[Four of Six]

“He can’t agree to this. If he does it is a capitulation, not a treaty / cease fire.”

I agree, and besides that, Russia will have gained nothing and Putin will be deposed, put on trial and shot for wasting so many lives, material and money, and for the humiliation Russia will have suffered at the hands of tiny Ukraine.

I just don’t see how Putin willing accepts this.

[marcusmaximus]

Supposedly the goal is to have a deal by Christmas.

[dfwgator]

Once Russia is weakened, Turkey will Rise.

If history has taught us anything, it’s that one baddie always replaces another.

[Sequoyah101]

Goals need to be:

Specific,
Measurable,
Achievable,
Relevant,
and
Time-bound

I’d add REALISTIC which goes with Achievable

[marcusmaximus]

The deal points to demilitarize Crimea and move the Russian Black Sea fleet out of Sevastopol are 100% Turkey’s (and NATO’s).

[Bruce Campbells Chin]

Odessa is Ukrainian. I obviously misspoke in my first post but corrected it. Where can the Russian Black Sea fleet go if they can't use Sevastopol?

[dfwgator]

Turkey is to NATO, what Stalin was to the Allies.

[lodi90]

Brandon (Obama) wants to partner with Putin to nuke up Iran. Ukraine has always gotten in the way of that. Sullivan was just in Kyiv and probably telling Zelensky that aid will slow down. At some point Biden (Obama) will try to drop the Ukraine hot potato back on the EU. That’s what happened in 2014 and I expect the same again.

[Chauncey Gardiner]

But... but ... but ... wha’ happened to ‘Ukraine winning’?

[marcusmaximus]

Novorossiysk.

[Berlin_Freeper]

[gloryblaze]

Turkey is playing both sides as usual.

Sure, but that's better than just the one wrong side, which it seemed to be playing before.

[Chode]

why... because Winter is Coming???

[Bruce Campbells Chin]

It may be that the Russians own propaganda help them portray a settlement like this as reasonable. After all, they claim that they were being threatened by Ukraine and NATO, and we're simply defending the Soviet Un...Russia. So the promise of at least 7 years before Ukraine can join NATO, plus a promise of demilitarization of the border may let Russia declare that they achieved their war aims. They also will likely claim success in "deNazification" of Ukraine. It's all bogus, but at least they could claim it as a face-saving gesture.

The Donbass will still be a problem, but perhaps a division of it could be agreed to.