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Astrophysicists make observations consistent with the predictions of an alternative theory of gravity
Phys Org ^ | 26 October 2022 | by University of Bonn

Posted on 10/28/2022 11:51:41 AM PDT by Red Badger

An international team of astrophysicists has made a puzzling discovery while analyzing certain star clusters. The finding challenges Newton's laws of gravity, the researchers write in their publication. Instead, the observations are consistent with the predictions of an alternative theory of gravity. However, this is controversial among experts. The results have now been published in the Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society.

In their work, the researchers investigated open star clusters. These are formed when thousands of stars are born within a short time in a huge gas cloud. As they "ignite," the galactic newcomers blow away the remnants of the gas cloud. In the process, the cluster expands considerably. This creates a loose formation of several dozen to several thousand stars. The weak gravitational forces acting between them hold the cluster together.

"In most cases, open star clusters survive only a few hundred million years before they dissolve," explains Prof. Dr. Pavel Kroupa of the Helmholtz Institute of Radiation and Nuclear Physics at the University of Bonn. In the process, they regularly lose stars, which accumulate in two so-called "tidal tails." One of these tails is pulled behind the cluster as it travels through space. The other, in contrast, takes the lead like a spearhead.

"According to Newton's laws of gravity, it's a matter of chance in which of the tails a lost star ends up," explains Dr. Jan Pflamm-Altenburg of the Helmholtz Institute of Radiation and Nuclear Physics. "So both tails should contain about the same number of stars. However, in our work we were able to prove for the first time that this is not true: In the clusters we studied, the front tail always contains significantly more stars nearby to the cluster than the rear tail."

New method developed for counting stars

Until now, it has been almost impossible to determine from among the millions of stars close to a cluster those that belong to its tails. "To do this, you have to look at the velocity, direction of motion and age of each of these objects," explains Dr. Tereza Jerabkova. The co-author of the paper, who did her doctorate in Kroupa's group, recently moved from the European Space Agency (ESA) to the European Southern Observatory in Garching. She developed a method that allowed her to accurately count the stars in the tails for the first time.

"So far, five open clusters have been investigated near us, including four by us," she says. "When we analyzed all the data, we encountered the contradiction with the current theory. The very precise survey data from ESA's Gaia space mission were indispensable for this."

The observational data, in contrast, fit much better with a theory that goes by the acronym MOND ("MOdified Newtonian Dynamics") among experts. "Put simply, according to MOND, stars can leave a cluster through two different doors," Kroupa explains. "One leads to the rear tidal tail, the other to the front. However, the first is much narrower than the second—so it's less likely that a star will leave the cluster through it. Newton's theory of gravity, on the other hand, predicts that both doors should be the same width."

Star clusters are shorter-lived than Newton's laws predict

The team calculated the stellar distribution expected according to MOND. "The results correspond surprisingly well with the observations," highlights Dr. Ingo Thies, who played a key role in the corresponding simulations. "However, we had to resort to relatively simple computational methods to do this. We currently lack the mathematical tools for more detailed analyses of modified Newtonian dynamics."

Nevertheless, the simulations also coincided with the observations in another respect: They predicted how long open star clusters should typically survive. And this time span is significantly shorter than would be expected according to Newton's laws. "This explains a mystery that has been known for a long time," Kroupa points out. "Namely, star clusters in nearby galaxies seem to be disappearing faster than they should."

However, the MOND theory is not undisputed among experts. Since Newton's laws of gravity would not be valid under certain circumstances, but would have to be modified, this would have far-reaching consequences for other areas of physics as well. "Then again, it solves many of the problems that cosmology faces today," explains Kroupa. The team is now exploring new mathematical methods for even more accurate simulations. They could then be used to find further evidence as to whether the MOND theory is correct or not.

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Galaxy formation simulated without dark matter More information: Pavel Kroupa et al, Asymmetrical tidal tails of open star clusters: stars crossing their cluster's práh challenge Newtonian gravitation, Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society (2022). doi.org/10.1093/mnras/stac2563

Journal information:

Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society

Provided by University of Bonn


TOPICS: Astronomy; History; Science; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: astronomy; gravity; haltonarp; newton; physics; quantumloopgravity; science; stars; stringtheory; tidaltail

1 posted on 10/28/2022 11:51:41 AM PDT by Red Badger
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To: Red Badger

2 posted on 10/28/2022 11:58:34 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire, or both.)
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To: Red Badger

apparently the only thing settled in science is man made global warming.


3 posted on 10/28/2022 11:59:00 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009
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To: Red Badger

Goodbye dark matter?


4 posted on 10/28/2022 11:59:38 AM PDT by TexasGator (!!!)
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To: Red Badger

Which ones are the “science deniers”?... the new theory adherents or the old schoolers?


5 posted on 10/28/2022 12:03:59 PM PDT by BuchananBrigadeTrumpFan (If in doubt, it's probably sarcasm)
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To: TexasGator

Well, it at least sheds some light on it.......................


6 posted on 10/28/2022 12:06:31 PM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Red Badger

It’s a heavy subject. I need time to weigh in on it.


7 posted on 10/28/2022 12:13:28 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Our news media isn't worth camel spit.)
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To: Red Badger

The more I think about it, the more I believe “gravity” doesn’t really exist.
It is simply the acceleration due to objects moving in Space-Time.


8 posted on 10/28/2022 12:13:36 PM PDT by Zathras
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To: Red Badger

Once you’re in the lead pack, there’s little sense leaving to join those in the tail.


9 posted on 10/28/2022 12:16:01 PM PDT by Track9 (You are far too inquisitive not to be seduced…)
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To: Red Badger

Fake news. As we have been told countless times science is settled once and never open for debate or research again. Al Gore said that.


10 posted on 10/28/2022 12:29:30 PM PDT by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes.)
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To: Zathras

“The more I think about it, the more I believe “gravity” doesn’t really exist.
It is simply the acceleration due to objects moving in Space-Time.”

OK Einstein....


11 posted on 10/28/2022 12:30:24 PM PDT by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

And the efficacy of the China virus jab


12 posted on 10/28/2022 12:43:04 PM PDT by drypowder
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To: Zathras

I personally think of gravity as a property of space time kind of like surface tension trying to minimize the area occupied my matter.


13 posted on 10/28/2022 12:48:06 PM PDT by OSHA (The Constitiution is a small box carefully crafted to keep government in. We let it escape.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

If something is “settled “ in science, i.e. not open for debate or modification its not science. It’s dogma!


14 posted on 10/28/2022 1:27:06 PM PDT by Reily
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To: Red Badger

If MOND is correct, then Dark Matter goes away.


15 posted on 10/28/2022 2:56:14 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (This is not a tagline.)
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To: Red Badger
""So both tails should contain about the same number of stars. "

There's nothing like a headline-grabbing publication that doesn't undergo a peer review...
Oh! Oh! Funding is running low... Need to grab some attention...
Wait for it...
Wait for it...
Wait for it...
"The earth is a cube afterall..."

16 posted on 10/28/2022 4:17:45 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is the next Sam Adams when we so desperatly need him)
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To: 6SJ7; AdmSmith; AFPhys; Arkinsaw; allmost; aristotleman; autumnraine; bajabaja; ...
Thanks RB.

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17 posted on 10/28/2022 10:12:03 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Zathras
"I believe “gravity” doesn’t really exist. It is simply the acceleration due to objects moving in Space-Time."

So then, why are objects on the North Pole attracted toward the center of the earth which is in the opposite direction to objects on the South Pole, which are also attracted toward the center of the earth? The objects are 'moving' in almost the exact same direction in space.

18 posted on 10/29/2022 3:51:40 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Capitalism is what happens when you leave people alone.)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

'Dark Matter' is the missing miracle................

19 posted on 10/31/2022 5:24:17 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

'Dark Matter' is the missing miracle................

20 posted on 10/31/2022 5:25:12 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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