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To: MalPearce
Interesting, you claim that confusion and contradiction in news stories and quotes from Russia prove that Russians are lying, and you say that every Russian is allways fully informed and in-the-know about everything that goes on in Russia and the Ukraine war.

Yet you accept the exact opposite in Western Media, Government and Citizenry.

False news stories are "Unintended Mistakes", "accidental misquotes", "Unfortunate Misunderstandings", "Out of the Loop, "Not Privy to Secret Information", or Kept In The Dark For Security Reasons".

You accept White House press secretaries explanations of what Biden meant immediately after him saying the opposite on air.

You accept any meaning whatsoever assigned to Kamala Harris' word salad jumble.

You accept any excuse the Western Sources give for inaccuracy or lies, but Russians must be perfect every time they speak.

Even when translated by Yahoo.

12 posted on 07/29/2022 11:24:49 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: Navy Patriot

“Interesting, you claim that confusion and contradiction in news stories and quotes from Russia prove that Russians are lying”

How else would you describe it when Russia says “1+1=2” one minute, “1+1=3” the next, and “1+1=10” the next day and they do it with almost every bloody story?

Whether you think they’re reporting honestly or not, the plain fact is they’re broadcasting the wrong narrative more often than they’re broadcasting the right one. Either it’s deliberate, or they’re totally incompetent.

“Yet you accept the exact opposite in Western Media, Government and Citizenry.”

Actually, no. If you check, you’ll see that where the West accuses Russia of doing something, I look at alternative explanations and narratives too. I only throw a narrative in the bin if it has far more holes in it than the others.

Example: the genocide of Donbass narrative. I supported it until 2020 when the DPR - not Kyiv - said it had come to an end. Ukraine says there’s been no Azov-nazi-led genocide since 2019. SO DID THE DPR.

Not only that - the DPR, 2 years in a row, filed an annual report to the Kremlin CONFIRMING what the Ukrainians were saying. And, they handed their evidence to the United Nations. The UN then looked at the Uke anti-DPR numbers, and the DPR’s anti-Ukraine numbers, and bugger me if they didn’t almost match exactly.

Either Russia or the DPR, in February, is lying - not accidentally, but deliberately. The genocide was either still ongoing for two years and DPR lied repeatedly by saying it had ended, or it had ended and Putin knowingly lied in February when he said it was ongoing. Or, maybe they’d both been lying to each other and to the world for two years.

There is no other rational conclusion to draw where BOTH parties were telling the truth on genocide. They’re damned by their own statements.

“You accept White House press secretaries explanations of what Biden meant immediately after him saying the opposite on air.”

Bullcrap. I don’t listen to ANYTHING coming out of the White House. I get my information through a range of sources - Telegram, Russian state television, Ukrainian social media, and news sources from China, India, the Middle East, eastern Europe, Western Europe and the UK. Sometimes American press too, but not often because these days they’re confirmation-bias-riddled aggregators of information from other sources rather than doing proper journalism.

What’s that mantra? Trust, but verify.

I do that.

All I see from the Putinards here is,

1. Trust any old bullshit coming out of the Kremlin, no matter how utterly implausible it is - AND treat anything repeating that bullshit (no matter who it is - random unqualified bloke on social media will do) as confirming it when all it’s doing is repeating it.

2. Don’t trust anything about the war that comes out of anywhere else. Even if an incident is filmed from 20 different angles on 20 different smart phones, verified by independent journalists, backed up with satellite images, and investigated by NGOs, it’s STILL bullshit because, er, PUTIN GOOD SOROS BAD SO IT MUST BE WRONG.


14 posted on 07/29/2022 12:25:22 PM PDT by MalPearce
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