Posted on 11/24/2021 9:45:57 AM PST by Seruzawa
ORANGE CITY, Fla. - New body camera video shows the intense moments after a Volusia County librarian was killed in an alleged road rage incident over the weekend. However, investigators have identified the victim as the aggressor.
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Well, it’s not against the law to follow a criminal. I doubt he expected that she would pull a gun on him. Another motorist followed as well. In hindsight it would have been better to just get her plate number.
Naturally some cowardly desk jockey in an office will be available to second guess.
Tell me, why do the motorcyclist deserve to die a brutal death by going under someone's wheels? If you could be specific.
Seems to be more facts needed before making any clear judgement.
She flees home, not a good response to a TA situation.
They follow, not necessarily wise but not wrong maybe.
They dismount/ exit bikes and cars, not necessary imo. They had her location plates etc. Get the police.
She leaves her home armed. He is armed too. Which person is the aggressor?
( if I came home and another car pulled up and people exited, I’d be alarmed or at least on alert, already would be armed, granted, I haven’t had a TA lately either)
Some words exchanged, someone feels threatened, guns get presented bike guy shoots first.
I have a feeling there’s more facts needed.
Someone confronts another at their home. Alarms would be going off in my tactical threat assessment process from the moment another person made their appearance.
If she was the initial aggressor/at fault, she departed, thusly ending her status as aggressor.
He/ they confront her at her home. She returns outside confronting them. Who now is the unlawful aggressor? More detail needed, but she is dead and will tell no tale.
Follow a person to get plates, okay. Drive by where they parked, okay, park down the street, okay, call the police.
Get out and take big risks.... We’ll see how it shakesout.
That’s why I have car cam installed. Check out Youtube and they have dozens of channels dedicated to body and car cams right before the accident. They also lower your insurance AND you can show them to the cops, making written accusations moot if the other party blames you.
Maybe it's because I ride a Gold Wing sensibly.
HD's often make annoying levels of sound.
Bicyclists and pedestrians, too. My brother likes to go out and ride his bicycle everyday for exercise. He had a car come by the other day and deliberately throw a frozen bottle of water at his back. Luckily it missed. Had it hit him the shock would have surely sent him to the ground and he would have been badly injured.
Body cam shows NOTHING whatsoever about the incident.
I had a cop once tell me that cops usually ignore touring rigs and are more likely to focus on sportbikes, as long as you appear to be riding sanely. I’ve only once been stopped on my 1050 Tiger (with bags) and that was for doing 80+ through Barstow.
Good analysis. But the biker said she pointed a gun at him. If she was just brandishing, she made a big mistake. I wouldn’t point a gun at someone unless I intended to shoot.
Had it done more than once back in the 70’s.
The world is chock full of vicious a-holes. If they think they can get away with hurting someone for no reason at all, they will.
What kind of woman, a mother of two, in Illinois posts her glee on a public forum that a criminal and racist rampaged into a Christmas parade injuring and killing adults and children and saying it’s karma. Yeah it’s hard for me to believe that women are so hard, too, but these are the times we live in.
Since she’s a Person of Color (POC or piece of crap) the motorcyclist will be called a racist, especially if he’s white.
The cyclist should not have followed her home. She was wrong at one point, but I hope they charge the jackass.
Modern day women are absolutely proving true the lie that every girl is “sugar and spice and everything nice.”
Women are, in fact, quite the opposite.
Brandishing is a varied and elusive term. Holding a gun is or is not brandishing, having your concealed arm “print” through your cover garment in some states is brandishing.
Waving one about in an animated manner is or is not?
In the basic lethal force equation three prongs generally must be met before one can claim legitimate self-defense.
Jeopardy- you must reasonably be at risk of unlawful grave harm or death.
Ability-the threat must actually have the ability to inflict said unlawful grave harm or death.
Imminence-the threat must actually be acting or about to act unlawfully to inflict grave harm or death.
An armed man (with a handgun) at 100 yards hollering he’s gonna kill you may not meet those criteria. If it were MSG Brian Zins, it might be (multiple time national pistol champion).
If it were an unarmed 6’6” 300 lb young body builder at arms distance, even though bare handed, and you are a 65-year-old person, he might have already met the criteria.
Maybe not. But why did she come back out of the house? Clearly she had gone bonkers. Maybe if he hadn’t followed her she would have grabbed a gun and killed a neighbor.
A few comments:
This occurred in FL.
SYG, no duty to retreat, castle doctrine.
Woman on her own property.
Some guy(s) follow her home and are on her property after a traffic situation.
She gets a firearm (merely possessing/holding a firearm is not necessarily a threat) and confronts trespassers, one of the trespassers pulls his gun and fires first/more effectively... see the tentacles widening here?
Granted, she should have stayed inside and called the police too, but she has every right to use her own property as well.
This may not be as cut and dry as some think.
“If it were an unarmed 6’6” 300 lb young body builder at arms distance, even though bare handed, and you are a 65-year-old person, he might have already met the criteria.”
Amazing that you said this. I was once confronted with almost exactly this situation except the guy was sitting in a car. He asked if he could take my motorcycle for a ride. I interpreted the strange request as a threat, ie., if I said no, he would take it. I made a joke about how I don’t even let my wife ride on it. The moment passed. That was the only situation that I was ever in where I thought I might have to pull.
When I lived in San Jose, all I would need to do to kill a motorcyclist was open my door at the right moment. Dumbasses there split lanes at 70mph in standstill traffic all the time. Nothing against motorcyclists in general, but a some of them do very dumb things given how vulnerable they are.
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