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Having SARS-CoV-2 once confers much greater immunity than a vaccine—but no infection parties, please (Natural Immunity)
Science Mag.org ^ | 08 26 2021 | Meredith Wadman

Posted on 08/27/2021 10:16:31 AM PDT by yesthatjallen

The natural immune protection that develops after a SARS-CoV-2 infection offers considerably more of a shield against the Delta variant of the pandemic coronavirus than two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, according to a large Israeli study that some scientists wish came with a “Don’t try this at home” label. The newly released data show people who once had a SARS-CoV-2 infection were much less likely than vaccinated people to get Delta, develop symptoms from it, or become hospitalized with serious COVID-19.

The study demonstrates the power of the human immune system, but infectious disease experts emphasized that this vaccine and others for COVID-19 nonetheless remain highly protective against severe disease and death. And they caution that intentional infection among unvaccinated people would be extremely risky. “What we don’t want people to say is: ‘All right, I should go out and get infected, I should have an infection party.’” says Michel Nussenzweig, an immunologist at Rockefeller University who researches the immune response to SARS-CoV-2 and was not involved in the study. “Because somebody could die.”

The researchers also found that people who had SARS-CoV-2 previously and then received one dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccine were more highly protected against reinfection than those who once had the virus and were still unvaccinated.

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1 posted on 08/27/2021 10:16:31 AM PDT by yesthatjallen
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To: yesthatjallen

Here is yet another dumb question: If this is so, why not create a genuine vaccine in the conventional way, and offer it for use?


2 posted on 08/27/2021 10:18:39 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire. Or both.)
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To: yesthatjallen
If you don't want natural immunity, here is a guide to choosing
the best vaxx for you and your family!


4 posted on 08/27/2021 10:20:18 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (“Fraud vitiates everything.” )
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To: yesthatjallen

What we are saying is leave those of us who have natural immunity alone and stop with your waggy finger scolding and ridiculous mandates


5 posted on 08/27/2021 10:20:23 AM PDT by Mygirlsmom (Back after a long hiatus. Now mygrandkidsgrandma)
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To: BenLurkin
If this is so, why not create a genuine vaccine in the conventional way, and offer it for use?

Because everything is about recurring payments and never ending revenue streams, if we did it the old fashioned way, it would be one and done, How in the Hell does that help our Bottom Line??
6 posted on 08/27/2021 10:21:49 AM PDT by eyeamok (founded in cynicism, wrapped in sarcasm)
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To: yesthatjallen
“What we don’t want people to say is: ‘All right, I should go out and get infected, I should have an infection party.’” says Michel Nussenzweig, an immunologist at Rockefeller University who researches the immune response to SARS-CoV-2 and was not involved in the study. “Because somebody could die.”

My wife and I, both in our sixties, survived it before it had a name, without doctors or pharmaceuticals.

It was the worst flu in terms of crap in our lungs we ever had and we coughed crap up for two months, but it eventually cleared.

You can't cough when they $lap you on a ventilator, so your lungs never clear and you die.


7 posted on 08/27/2021 10:22:48 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Communism is not love. Communism is a hammer which we use to crush the enemy." ― Mao Zedong)
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To: yesthatjallen

No Ingection parties? Too late- kbama already had one


8 posted on 08/27/2021 10:23:38 AM PDT by Bob434
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To: yesthatjallen
Sorry, wrong link. Here is the correct link:

‘This Ends The Debate’ – Israeli Study Shows Natural Immunity 13x More Effective Than Vaccines At Stopping Delta

9 posted on 08/27/2021 10:24:34 AM PDT by yesthatjallen
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To: yesthatjallen

If the “vaccine passports” are such a darn good idea, at least allow people with natural immunity to also get such a passport.

Allowing only jab recipients to get a passport simply tells me that it’s not about the virus at all. It’s about the jab. They really, really, really want you to get that jab.


10 posted on 08/27/2021 10:25:02 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (We have two Democrat parties. 50% of the US population is taxed w/o representation.)
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To: yesthatjallen

How can you tell if you had it with no symptoms? I don’t want to go on record that I was tested one way or other.


11 posted on 08/27/2021 10:25:45 AM PDT by SkyDancer
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To: yesthatjallen
Imagine an ad for one of the jabs with all the required information regarding side-effects that other meds have to include.

(Typed in my best fast-talking auctioneer voice):
Should not be taken by anybody under 30 or pregnant without consulting your doctor. No long term studies have been done to see if offspring will have extra arms and legs, blood diseases, or less ability to do math than a Democrat.

12 posted on 08/27/2021 10:27:55 AM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: SkyDancer

I believe you could donate blood at the red cross and they may provide paperwork to you about your antibodies. I suppose that might somehow get your test records “into the system”, but it could be a way to go outside the core US healthcare industry.


13 posted on 08/27/2021 10:30:55 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (We have two Democrat parties. 50% of the US population is taxed w/o representation.)
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To: yesthatjallen

““What we don’t want people to say is: ‘All right, I should go out and get infected, I should have an infection party.’” says Michel Nussenzweig, an immunologist at Rockefeller University who researches the immune response to SARS-CoV-2 and was not involved in the study. “Because somebody could die.”

Why not?

Given what we know, for otherwise healthy folks, that serious side effects from The Death Shot are more dangerous than the bug, being in a good state of health and going out to intentionally get the ChiCom WuHu is a perfectly reasonable action.


14 posted on 08/27/2021 10:31:04 AM PDT by Macoozie (Handcuffs and Orange Jumpsuitss)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

“Bals palsy”?


15 posted on 08/27/2021 10:33:56 AM PDT by kaktuskid
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“Bals palsy”?

eh, southerners...

16 posted on 08/27/2021 10:35:30 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (“Fraud vitiates everything.” )
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To: BenLurkin; Pelham

They are trying.....been difficult

mRNA was easier but less effective obviously and more side effects

Pelham follows this more than I....he can elaborate

On another note my friend in Los Angeles who has a YouTube channel with his 90 plus year old grandma ...

She got the Pfizer shot and got very sick and her arm seller up enormously and she had to be ambulance to emergency room and almost died....the docs had no medical explanation looking at her arm but to acknowledge the vax was responsible

After 48 hours in and out of unconsciousness she came to but with acute memory loss

They just brought her back home..

I know a ton of vaxxed people....most are fine....

A fair number have gotten it anyhow

I don’t know any vax personally who have died....but I read about them

I do know some who had a hard time with the vax...

The worst crime in all of this is we simply cannot trust the media political science tech narrative org to be honest about anything

You just have to dig and decipher for yourself

I’m nateimmunity......I’m gonna pass on vax

My wife is getting it Sunday....I’d prefer she didn’t but like most women she is conflict averse except southern passive aggressive conflict and her job is mumbling about it...

She too is Nate immunity

Seems to me the narrative org is pushing vax over that for power

We all had it 05/2020


17 posted on 08/27/2021 10:36:06 AM PDT by wardaddy (Fear Republic land of grumps)
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To: BenLurkin

The chinese vaccine is just that. But even the chinese admitted they didn’t have a 90+% efficacy rate.

But I’m betting that in the long run, their vaccine will be more protective than those solely based on the spike, but rather an inactivated ‘rona.


18 posted on 08/27/2021 10:37:06 AM PDT by sitetest (Professional patient. No longer mostly dead. Again. It's getting to be a habit.)
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To: yesthatjallen

Is there a non-antibody immunity? I had an antibody test, which was negative, but I have been (through benign negligence) been having a sort of informal, slow-motion “infection party” for the past year and a half, and don’t seem to have gotten the virus. I got tested for infection last fall (no symptoms) and was negative then. Have not done a test recently to see if that has changed.

Honestly, why *not* have “infection parties”? At least for those who are generally healthy with no comorbidities or other underlying risk factors? The risk/reward calculation is narrowing for the vaccine even based on what little data on its side effects are making it into the public news stream, so more and more people are going to do their own risk calculations and come up in favor of natural infection over the Frankenstein’s experiment being touted as a “vaccine”.


19 posted on 08/27/2021 10:37:32 AM PDT by Little Pig
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To: eyeamok

Even a vaccine derived from the actual virus will need updates and periodic new shots. Coronaviruses mutate quickly enough that it’ll be more like flu shots.


20 posted on 08/27/2021 10:38:59 AM PDT by sitetest (Professional patient. No longer mostly dead. Again. It's getting to be a habit.)
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