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Before no-fault divorce c. 1967, many couples found themselves in a temporary rough patch of a few months. Because the legal & social supports for keeping the marriage together were strong, many found that they overcame the problem period and were very, very happy many years later. 55 years of the divorce tsunami have not resolved 2 prime issues: The adults are still looking to assuage themselves for their lost dreams. The children regard it as the worst thing that ever happened to them.
1 posted on 06/29/2021 5:15:45 PM PDT by CharlesOConnell
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Kind of a strange story to me. What young couple today in their early 20s - actually planning to live together - doesn’t know about and practice birth control?

Story would have been more realistic if the daughter wasn’t ‘sheepish’, but said, with the typical confidence of youth, that she had ‘taken care of that’.

(Well, within one percent or so...)


2 posted on 06/29/2021 5:24:11 PM PDT by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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Preparation for marriage. They’d have to detail how that works. First place the statistics on marriage lasting for previous cohabitators is seriously compromised

But...girls- tell us exactly how it works. Really.

Prep for marriage includes knowing I’d the guy dotes on his Controlling mother to a sick extent. Can you count on him in a pinch. Get off birth control pills and see how you like him. Pregnant women and women on the pill (hormonally the same) look for different qualities in a man than a celibate woman who is seeking a mate and vice versa. Does he open the door without a fuss, without looking for accolades and adoration, but to consider himself a gentleman (no gentleman has sex outside of marriage, BTW) ditto remove his hat indoors and please in church. Does he go to church? On his own?

Who are his friends


3 posted on 06/29/2021 5:26:15 PM PDT by stanne
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Gynosociety has removed every single benefit from marriage for men.

There is no benenfit anymore, just risk and financial hardship. And on top of it, no one cares about risks for men,,or their financial hardships.

If women got the same deal men get in marriage and divorce, no woman in their right kind would agree to get married.

And they know this.

And married guys also know his,,especially those who have been through the grinder.

Yet they don’t tell young men the truth. They all want them to get screwed over just like they were, because society wants them to and many dumbass guys think, well no one warned me, why should I warn them?


4 posted on 06/29/2021 5:28:38 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not Averse to Going Bronson.)
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Prepping for marriage involves a whole lot of things starting with acknowledging Yeshua as being the head of the family. You like someone to begin with and you develop your love for each other over time.


5 posted on 06/29/2021 5:30:11 PM PDT by SkyDancer (I Identify As Vaccinated)
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Sorry that this poor guy failed at parenting.

By the time they realized their mistake, it was too late. Many apparently completely tune out to their kids until the kids are in their teens and starting to “act out”. But it’s already too late by then. I am sorry to say.

What you do when they are very young pays dividends when they are teens. There is no playing catchup later.


6 posted on 06/29/2021 5:32:25 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009
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“As she and her 24-year-old boyfriend marched out the door, I was heartbroken. It was one of the great sorrows of my life. “

The big question is: Did she ever come back?

Oh, and they were most likely already having sex.

I suspect the only thing dad accomplished was an expression of his beliefs and the animus of his daughter.


8 posted on 06/29/2021 5:38:11 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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Like my grandmother used to say, “Why buy a cow when you can get milk for free?”


11 posted on 06/29/2021 5:41:45 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (Dementia Joe is Not My President!)
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Traci Lords in the bedroom, Julia Child in the kitchen. Still a fantasy.


13 posted on 06/29/2021 5:43:31 PM PDT by Libloather (Why do climate change hoax deniers live in mansions on the beach?)
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Studies from 1985 and 1994 probably don’t mean much these days.


16 posted on 06/29/2021 5:44:38 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Lean on Joe Biden to follow Donald Trump's example and donate his annual salary to charity.)
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Why buy a cow, when you get the milk for free. (from the Mary Tyler Moore show)


18 posted on 06/29/2021 5:54:33 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (Never do anything illegal, when you are doing something illegal. )
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An old adage that has stood the test of time:
"Why buy a cow when the milk is free?"
19 posted on 06/29/2021 5:54:45 PM PDT by BAN-ONE
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bump


22 posted on 06/29/2021 5:58:36 PM PDT by foreverfree
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That 23 y/o daughter is an adult, albeit a young one.
Her remarks sound rude and unnecessarily disrespectful.
“Well, I don’t care what you and Dad think. You’ll just have to accept it!”

Me talking to my parents like that even at age 23, would have earned me a good hard slap in the chops.

However, I know each family is different on what manner of communication is allowed. Even back then (60’s 70’s) some kids were known to talk smack to their parents, treat them as classmates vs parents.


24 posted on 06/29/2021 6:02:06 PM PDT by lee martell
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My thinking is when you live together, you are more willing to compromise since it is short term. When you then get married it is then, “I’m not willing to do that the rest of my life”. The other party then feels cheated.


27 posted on 06/29/2021 6:08:50 PM PDT by alternatives?
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For men, the most common motive was sex.

My Dad, God rest his soul, put it far more simply when I came of age back in the 1970s.

Why buy a cow when you get milk free? And would any woman that stupid be worth keeping?

No, I guess not, I told him . . . and I kept my snake in the cage until I found one worth keeping about my 28th birthday. It wasn't easy, but it was worth it.

28 posted on 06/29/2021 6:09:04 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (The politicized state destroys aspects of civil society, human kindness and private charity.)
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"Mom, Joe and I have decided to live together," my strong-willed 23-year-old daughter announced defiantly at our dining-room table, her boyfriend at her side.

I'd question the use of the word "defiantly" in this story. A 23 year old is an adult and has no need to defy his or her parents in anything. Sounds more like she was just informing her parents, knowing they wouldn't like it.
31 posted on 06/29/2021 6:11:29 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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So men shouldn’t marry.


45 posted on 06/29/2021 6:36:26 PM PDT by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
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"Man: "Sex, when and where you want it."


47 posted on 06/29/2021 6:38:18 PM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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Married 32 years here. I have found one secret to a long and happy marital life: communication!

Whenever my dear wife and I have a difference of opinion as to a course of action, we take time to carefully enunciate our respective positions and the merits of our viewpoints. Then - and ONLY then - we conclude by doing what she wants.


64 posted on 06/29/2021 7:37:23 PM PDT by tjd1454
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I asked a woman...one who had suffered at the hands of unfaithful men...why it was not a good idea for a man and a woman to live together and not get married, and, why they did not stay married once they did decide to get married. Here is her response:

A woman who lives with a man without marrying him will come to realize she has a huge problem. She one day realizes he broke the rules by sleeping with her immorally and from then on believes he will break the rules again with another woman. That trust can never be regained.

69 posted on 06/29/2021 8:01:45 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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