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Nurse in Pfizer vaccine trial who worried she had COVID-19 after developing highest fever of her life at 105F says she can see 'wrong message going viral' if doctors don't warn of 'scary' side effects
Daily Mail ^ | 12-07-2020 | Mary Ketatos

Posted on 12/07/2020 3:09:02 PM PST by HogsBreath

A nurse who took part in Pfizer Inc's late-stage coronavirus vaccine trial said she experienced several side effects, leading her to worry she may have contracted the disease.

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To: HogsBreath

That’s about kkke saying blue eyes DNA is the DNA that forms blue eyes. The point is there is no particular actual mechanism like mRNA or tRNA.


61 posted on 12/08/2020 4:25:08 AM PST by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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To: khelus

This was my general recollection too. I think that this amounts to something just short of human experimentation.

I think the risk of taking the vaccine vastly outweighs the risks of contracting the Chinese Bioweapon.


62 posted on 12/08/2020 5:28:51 AM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: Retrofitted

One of our TN legislators is introducing a bill to forbid the vaccine from becoming mandatory. It’ll be interesting to see how that shakes out. They were interviewing him this morning and he made some good sense.


63 posted on 12/08/2020 5:37:58 AM PST by MayflowerMadam ("Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free" Galatians 5:1)
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest

It seems that the word was out that at least one of the vaccines did work by altering a person’s DNA in some way. I didn’t pay much attention; I won’t take it.


64 posted on 12/08/2020 5:39:53 AM PST by MayflowerMadam ("Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free" Galatians 5:1)
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To: RinaseaofDs

I personally agree. Treatments ought to be evaluated in terms of risk vs benefit.

Especially since there are treatments which work very well if administered early:
https://principia-scientific.com/covid19-dr-zelenkos-statement-to-u-s-senate-committee-homeland-security/

FauXi is a bureaucrat and politician with major conflicts of interest with big pharma. He is expert at using fear, guilt, bullying, and trashing the careers of those who raise questions about his recommendations. All done under the guise of a kindly, caring, public health servant.


65 posted on 12/08/2020 6:04:24 AM PST by khelus
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To: Mom MD
Norbert Pardi et al., “mRNA Vaccines-A New Era in Vaccinology,”

Nature Reviews Drug Discovrey 17, (2018):

261-79,

https://doi.org/10.1038/nrd.2017.243

The poly(A) tail also plays an important regulatory role in mRNA translation and stability25; thus, an optimal length of poly(A)24 must be added to mRNA either directly from the encoding DNA template or by using poly(A) polymerase. The codon usage additionally has an impact on protein translation. Replacing rare codons with frequently used synonymous codons that have abundant cognate tRNA in the cytosol is a common practice to increase protein production from mRNA29, although the accuracy of this model has been questioned30.

Maybe you have different understanding of the meaning of "directly from the encoding DNA template "?

66 posted on 12/08/2020 7:33:10 AM PST by G Larry (There is no merit in compromising with the Devil.)
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To: RummyChick

I’m not certain about the Shingrix vaccine itself, but typically reactions are either due to the components of the drug/vaccine itself (e.g. there may be some sort of irritant) or they’re due to the immune system’s response. For the latter, this can include things like T-cells and/or macrophages overreacting to the change in environment and signaling all kinds of swelling and inflammation, or even attacking otherwise healthy tissue temporarily. Your immune system’s general defense against invaders includes raising your body temperate (fever), and other things that can disrupt normal body functions.

The idea with things like that is yes, it’s uncomfortable for you, but if the invading pathogen has a narrower scope of livable conditions than you do, you can survive with a fever and it can’t. Differences in things like genetics, underlying conditions, existing allergies, and other factors can play into why different people experience different reactions to the same drug or vaccine.


67 posted on 12/08/2020 7:33:17 AM PST by 2aProtectsTheRest (The media is banging the fear drum enough. Don't help them do it.)
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest

thanks..I am going into it expecting the worst so as to be prepared and if I have no reaction then I will be pleasantly surprised


68 posted on 12/08/2020 7:37:35 AM PST by RummyChick (I blame Kushner.)
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To: MayflowerMadam

Which one? If you say it’s the Russian or Chinese one, I almost might believe that. But then my next question would be: exactly what modifications are made to which chromosomes at which sites, and how are those modifications being made to all the cells of the body when the vaccine doses don’t typically include 20 lbs of vaccine material.

However, none of the vaccines being tested or used in any western nation make any changes to any DNA. They don’t have the ability to do so. You can’t change my computer by asking my printer to print a new picture.


69 posted on 12/08/2020 7:38:52 AM PST by 2aProtectsTheRest (The media is banging the fear drum enough. Don't help them do it.)
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To: RummyChick

Reactions to vaccines in general are less common than most people realize. If you get 5% of people developing noticeable reaction symptoms (e.g. headache, fever, body aches), that’s pretty high. A particular reaction could be seen in fewer than 1% of people, but you include that because 1% of 330 million is still nominally a large number, even if it’s unlikely you - as an individual - will experience it.

I always say expect the worst; hope for the best. It leaves you prepared for when things go poorly, but still with a sunny disposition about life in general.


70 posted on 12/08/2020 7:41:48 AM PST by 2aProtectsTheRest (The media is banging the fear drum enough. Don't help them do it.)
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To: RinaseaofDs
...the risk of taking the vaccine vastly outweighs the risks of contracting the Chinese Bioweapon...

WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE!

71 posted on 12/08/2020 7:47:58 AM PST by .30Carbine (In fact, I may have already had it, and I am immune!)
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To: RinaseaofDs
"I think that this amounts to something just short of human experimentation."

No, this is simply the next step in vaccine development and it's been researched, studied, and tested for over a decade. Moderna was founded over 10 years ago with the sole purpose of creating vaccines on the mRNA platform. Other biotech companies have been working on the mRNA platform even longer.

Gen 1 vaccines used killed or weakened versions of the pathogen. They had a high risk associated with mistakes in the killing/weakening process that sometimes caused people to become infected. e.g. the Cutter incident. Gen 2 vaccines take the part of the pathogen the body reacts to and puts it on something that isn't dangerous, such as another virus. These are slow to create and carry allergy risks. Gen 3 vaccines are the mRNA platform. There's no allergy risk. There's no risk of live pathogen causing infection. They're faster to create, faster to produce, and theoretically can be much cheaper once the manufacturing becomes more common.

"I think the risk of taking the vaccine vastly outweighs the risks of contracting the Chinese Bioweapon."

What specific risk, exactly? The only components in the mRNA vaccines are a lipid (fat) shell, which disappears when it encounters a cell or will be broken down over the course of a few days, and the messenger RNA inside. The mRNA can only interact with a ribosome and the only thing that does is cause the ribosome to build the surface glycoprotein for SARS-CoV-2. It's harmless by itself, but the immune system recognizes it as foreign and the resulting response is what builds lasting immunity. That mRNA breaks down naturally within the cells within hours or days.

In less than a week, there's nothing left of the vaccine in your body. The only way you'd ever know somebody had the thing is by checking for antibodies, and that testing wouldn't be able to distinguish between having the vaccine or having COVID-19. So what risks - specifically - are we talking about here? Testing? Just between the US and the UK, Pfizer and Moderna have spent months testing their respective vaccines on over 100,000 closely monitored volunteers. The Phase 1, Phase 2, and Phase 3 clinical trials done are exactly the same trials done for EVERY drug and vaccine.

Why are we suddenly to believe that the testing we do for everything on the market is suddenly insufficient? Why are we suddenly supposed to buy into fear with zero basis? I don't live in fear; I study facts and make informed decisions. The risks here are a headache and a fever for the vaccine or a 3% chance of landing in the ICU and 0.65% chance of death for the virus. I'll take the headache and fever, please.

72 posted on 12/08/2020 12:52:57 PM PST by 2aProtectsTheRest (The media is banging the fear drum enough. Don't help them do it.)
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest

Do we have any mRNA based vaccines on the market currently?


73 posted on 12/08/2020 12:55:27 PM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: RinaseaofDs

Yes we do, for VEEV: https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/8/2/273/htm

Further, we have two vaccines just out of testing about to enter the market. That would be the Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines. Both have completed all the normal Phase 1, Phase 2, and Phase 3 clinical trials. Both have been proven safe and effective with over 100,000 closely monitored volunteers between the US and the UK.


74 posted on 12/08/2020 1:01:06 PM PST by 2aProtectsTheRest (The media is banging the fear drum enough. Don't help them do it.)
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest
"What specific risk, exactly?"

No one knows if antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) or enhanced respiratory disease (ERD) will occur in patients in the future, when challenged with a new viral variation. In other words, a worsening of disease possibly resulting in death. An adjuvant is being included in the vaccine to, hopefully, minimize the possibility, but the risk is unclear. One thing known for sure: The dead lab animal victims in earlier studies have no opinion on this.

75 posted on 12/08/2020 1:32:17 PM PST by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc O'Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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To: steve86

Sorry, which conspiracy ridden drek website published this particular nonsense?

I especially like the use of “No one knows”! Ooooo SPOOKY! Yes, no one knows if drinking a cup of tea will cause your eyes to explode. Probably not, but hey “NO ONE KNOOOOWWWWWWSSSS”. Throw in some scary sounding medical terms and you’ve got yourself a winner!

Where it falls down is when it says “An adjuvant is being included in the vaccine”. Whoops! The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines include no adjuvants. Almost had it!

But wait, there’s more! “The dead lab animal victims in earlier studies...” Whoops! Neither the animals in the clinical studies nor any of the human participants in the Phase 1, Phase 2, or Phase 3 human trials died. None.

I always prefer my fantasy writing to include space ships and other fun far-away things. I think if you’re going to write pure fiction, at least make it entertaining.


76 posted on 12/08/2020 1:49:16 PM PST by 2aProtectsTheRest (The media is banging the fear drum enough. Don't help them do it.)
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest

Your writing borders on hypomanic if not manic. A little defensive, are you?

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77 posted on 12/08/2020 2:02:10 PM PST by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc O'Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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To: steve86

There’s no difference between the antibodies created by your body for the glycoprotein produced by the vaccine vs the glycoprotein produced by the virus. The reason we know that is because the exact same RNA producing the glycoprotein for the virus is used in the mRNA vaccine. So it’s literally, fundamentally, biologically impossible to tell the difference.

So the argument being made is we shouldn’t vaccinate against a disease that’s killing people because it’s possible that at some point in the future, having antibodies to this disease (which you’ll also have if you contract the actual disease) could complicate some future, unknown pathogenic infection?

Yeah, I’m going to laugh at that. It’s ridiculous. The vaccines cause headaches, body aches, and a fever. The disease being vaccinated against causes 5% of people to be hospitalized, 3% to end up in the ICU, and 0.65% to die.

I’ll take the headache.


78 posted on 12/08/2020 2:07:55 PM PST by 2aProtectsTheRest (The media is banging the fear drum enough. Don't help them do it.)
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