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Is The Wuhan Coronavirus Really A Chinese Bioweapon? Conservatives should focus, as much as we can, on the scientific evidence to settle these questions, not on unfounded conspiracy theories
The Federalist ^ | 09/25/2020 | By Jay W. Richards, Douglas Axe and William Briggs

Posted on 09/25/2020 9:17:02 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: Tuxedo

You are correct and many points although I’ll have to say that in America you have the freedom to choose whether or not to wear a mask or get a vaccine or frankly to be afraid of this stupid virus or the H1n1 or anything for that matter biologically speaking

I’m at the conclusion that most of the people that get this information are TV watchers

It’s very hard to scare people through the radio


21 posted on 09/25/2020 10:21:09 AM PDT by Truthoverpower (The guv-mint you get is the Trump winning express ! Yea haw ! Trump Pence II! Save America again)
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To: SeekAndFind

It would still be a Chinese bio weapon regardless of whether it may have escaped before they intended.


22 posted on 09/25/2020 10:22:50 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: SeekAndFind

I watched and listened to Tucker Carlson interviewing her.


23 posted on 09/25/2020 10:35:09 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: discostu
Ummm, calling it a bio weapon IS an unfounded conspiracy theory.

You want an "unfounded conspiracy theory? How about this assessment:

COVID-19 was an early-stage and very unstable prototype for a bio weapon which was accidentally released from the Wuhan laboratory in late September 2019.

The original virus was derived from a "gain-of-function" research program at the University in Toronto, Canada, which program was abandoned in 2015 because the sponsors considered it too dangerous to continue. Chinese scientists were hired from the Toronto lab to work on a continued program at the Wuhan lab.

The US Government contributed $3.7 million dollars in funding to the Wuhan laboratory. There has never been any public explanation for why this money was given.

By some accounts, a lab animal bit a technician, who died in October,from the resulting infection. That person has a name, which has been widely circulated in China. The Chinese Government claims she is still alive, but does not allow any current interviews with her.

The original infection appeared to be moderately contagious and 100% fatal. A number of other patients died in October and early November. The Chinese bureaucrats were terrified that they had loosed a "slate-wiper" in their own country. A great deal of finger-pointing and organizational paralysis ensured. Many phone calls were made. Many intemperate e-mails were sent.

Western National Intelligence agencies have thousands of such intercepts, as well as first-hand accounts from local assets.

Concealment programs were fully in place by December 2019. Civilian doctors who encountered patients were quickly and strictly ordered to keep silent. Some doctors ignored these orders and were sanctioned. That did not stop the rumors from spreading.

The virus was unstable, and appeared to be mutating into less-lethal forms. The bureaucrats concluded that it might not be the feared "slate-wiper", but locking down the country would limit the spread until they could determine what treatment options might be effective.

Cancelling travel before the Chinese New Year celebrations was a very big deal. The Government relaxed censorship restrictions and let rumors of the virus persist. That made it much easier to promote regional lock-downs. They did insert misdirection into the rumor streams, attributing the virus to US Army sources.

In a classic demonstration of vindictiveness, the Chinese Government allowed its citizens to travel internationally for the Chinese New Year celebration, while prohibiting such travel within the country. This was a deliberate policy to "spread the misery", by seeding the virus into Western countries. It worked. Serious outbreaks followed in Ecuador, Italy, and Iran with many fatalities. The virus spread rapidly to the rest of the world.

That last topic of assessment ("deliberate seeding")would constitute a biological weapons attack, and under long-standing US policy, would be regarded as equivalent to a nuclear weapons attack. The US policy for such events calls for immediate retaliation with nuclear weapons.

Nobody in authority wants to escalate to that level. For that reason alone, the "deliberate seeding" topic could never be allowed to be "proven" - even if there were direct evidence that such conversations and orders occurred.

The COVID-19 virus has mutated into at least six distinct strains, each one less lethal than its predecessors. The most common strain extant now creates no symptoms in over 50% of patients and requires a lab test to detect it. There are several cheap, effective medications which will stop the infection in vulnerable patients. These must be given within the first few days of symptom onset in order to work.

Leftist political authorities in every Western country have claimed new and unrestricted totalitarian powers over their subjects and have no incentive to relinquish them. They are determined to "never let a crisis go to waste".

This assessment is for entertainment purposes only. It was derived entirely from open-source information. You do not need to believe a single word of it.

24 posted on 09/25/2020 10:45:17 AM PDT by flamberge (The wheels keep turning)
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To: puppypusher

There is ample evidence that the CCP decided to take advantage of the “outbreak”. They are bad faith actors and that is really all we need to take punitive actions against China.


25 posted on 09/25/2020 10:46:32 AM PDT by yuleeyahoo (The nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master and deserves one. Hamilton)
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To: SeekAndFind
The problem is China acted like this was an escaped Bio weapon.🤔
26 posted on 09/25/2020 10:55:02 AM PDT by BiteYourSelf
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To: flamberge
And it's very likely what happened.🤔
27 posted on 09/25/2020 11:00:21 AM PDT by BiteYourSelf
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To: SeekAndFind

naw, no way. its pure coincidence that the virus attacks Caucasians much much much more severely than Chinese/Asians (as has now been established with not one but two genetic markers, see yesterday’s news feed from Tel Aviv University)

pure coincidence (chance, about 1 percent or less imho since the virus eminated from a Communist Chinese bio weapons factory)


28 posted on 09/25/2020 11:12:36 AM PDT by faithhopecharity (Politicians are not born, they are excreted. Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 to 43 BCE))
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To: flamberge

Oh look, no sources, nothing verifiable, no ACTUAL information. Unfounded conspiracy theory nonsense.


29 posted on 09/25/2020 11:12:57 AM PDT by discostu (Like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: SeekAndFind

naw, no way. its pure coincidence that the virus attacks Caucasians much much much more severely than Chinese/Asians (as has now been established with not one but two genetic markers, see yesterday’s news feed from Tel Aviv University)

pure coincidence (chance, about 1 percent or less imho since the virus came from a Communist Chinese bio weapons factory)


30 posted on 09/25/2020 11:14:32 AM PDT by faithhopecharity (Politicians are not born, they are excreted. Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 to 43 BCE))
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To: discostu
All topics in that assessment have been widely reported and other posters have provided detailed links to sources. There isn't much need for me to repeat those details in a short summary.

Dismissing a topic as "conspiracy theory" is a standard technique to stop discussion of an unpopular assessment. It has been so over-used that it is no longer effective.

The repeatedly observable fact is that deliberate and concealed actions of a very small group of people commonly affect much larger groups of people. This is the source for all "conspiracy theories". And sometimes the theories turn out to be correct.

Who benefits if a theory is correct? Who benefits if a theory is wrong? It is hard to prove a theory, but what do you need to know that could disprove a theory? Answering those questions goes a long way toward cutting through the fog and distortion.

There's something happening here

But what it is ain't exactly clear

There's a man with a gun over there

Telling me I got to beware

I think it's time we stop

Children, what's that sound?

Everybody look - what's going down?

Buffalo Springfield,"For what its worth", 1966

31 posted on 09/25/2020 11:35:20 AM PDT by flamberge (The wheels keep turning)
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To: flamberge

No. All topics in that collection of BS have been widely made up with no substantiation then perpetuated by people who are too stupid to realize it’s a bunch of hokum.

It IS a conspiracy theory. You are NOT discussing, you are bringing forth fiction as fact.

There are no repeatedly observable deliberate concealed actions. Just idiots making up crap and then others rolling their eyes.

Who benefits by spreading fear based on lies?


32 posted on 09/25/2020 11:47:11 AM PDT by discostu (Like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: discostu
Who benefits by spreading fear based on lies?

Democrats.

33 posted on 09/25/2020 11:54:58 AM PDT by flamberge (The wheels keep turning)
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To: SeekAndFind

whether it was a bioweapon or not, it was most certainly weaponized by Chicoms allowing a mass exodus of nationals across the globe to targeted countries, grabbing every scrap of PPE in the world, failing to openly share unedited data, and, when caught, producing and shipping, at inflated cost, defective PPE and test kits, under the guise of ‘humanitarian aid’.

Unfortunately, the chinese people, and their ‘white monkey’ expats, are brainwashed into thinking that the virus came into China, instead of the reverse, and so there is little to no hope that the chinese will overthrow their govt by force.

Leaving the western world with no other recourse than that of boycotting everything China produces until their economy is in the hopper for the next 50 years.


34 posted on 09/25/2020 12:28:56 PM PDT by blueplum ("...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017))
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To: discostu

What do you call it?


35 posted on 09/25/2020 12:33:22 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Psalm 2. Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?)
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To: flamberge

They’re not the ones spreading the idea that it’s a bioweapon. Guess again.


36 posted on 09/25/2020 12:44:39 PM PDT by discostu (Like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: Just mythoughts

Feces occurs. Really our various ailments are always mutating and changing and periodically one gets ugly and goes pandemic. It’s just part of life.


37 posted on 09/25/2020 12:45:49 PM PDT by discostu (Like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: SeekAndFind

Hi.

I was looking to find Dr. Fauci” name and didn’t see it.

Nor the NIH or 0bama mentioned within.

What about Dr. Shi Zhengli? Was her name in the article?

*This is speculative, of course, but”

Indeed.

5.56mm


38 posted on 09/25/2020 12:53:49 PM PDT by M Kehoe (DRAIN THE SWAMP! Finish THE WALL!)
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To: SeekAndFind

China needs to be rid of at least three-quarters of a billion people. A war could accomplish that, but would devastate the infrastructure. They found a virus which they thought could accomplish it; it killed mostly the elderly and medically compromised (the “useless eaters”) while the young and fit (the workers) usually recovered. It got loose, and they withheld information on it for at least six weeks to allow it to spread abroad.

It succeeded beyond their wildest dreams in harming their “enemy”.


39 posted on 09/25/2020 1:59:44 PM PDT by JimRed (TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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