Posted on 08/10/2020 5:03:10 AM PDT by impimp
Dude - I already HAD it in April. It was a day or two of sniffles. But then I”m under 55, not overweight, no cholesterol/diabetes etc. I’m glad I wore a mask before that so I’m pretty sure I didn’t transfer it to anyone (there was basic tracking and no one I interacted with got it)
Be wise and care for your neighbour. Or perhaps you don’t?
you say “your post is a demonstrable lie” and don’t demonstrate anything.
The fact is there were 164K deaths reported out of 5 million cases. The fact is that the USA leads the world in testing - the USA does more tests than anyone else and is comprehensive.
So your post, gogeo, really IS a demonstrable lie. Does that bother you at all?
It’s shown itself to be genetically stable so far and the immune system certainly recognizes it and reacts to it, so I haven’t seen evidence suggesting it would present the issues Influenza does. There’s only one strain and it isn’t mutating quickly like Influenza’s various strains do. So long as that continues to be the case, this may be a one-shot fix.
The first vaccine out of the gate might not be amazing in terms of effectiveness, but even a 50% effective vaccine would be wonderful. 50% of the population vaccinated plus ~20% who have been or will be infected by the time the vaccine is deployed puts us right at herd immunity of 70%. And with multiple vaccine candidates in phase 3 clinical trials right now, I have a lot of optimism that at least one will wind up being much better than 50% effective.
My biggest hope is for Moderna’s vaccine; mainly because generation 3 vaccines hold the promise to making the Influenza vaccine vastly more effective by reducing the time necessary to formulate and deliver it. That alone could save tens of thousands of Americans each year.
Five million diagnosed cases. Flu mortality is calculated based upon estimated cases. The current estimate (and that’s what we’re dealing with here) for C19 is ten infections for each diagnosed. Your statement comparing mortality between the two is currently overstated by a factor of 10, and possibly more. At minimum that’s intellectual dishonesty, at best a bald faced lie.
For you, Sky - How to Calculate Percentages for Dummies
I'll also look for and send you "Simple addition for dummies" -- that will be the first steps for you on the journey to mathematics. Perhaps after some years you might be ready for algebra and some decades later for calculus.
Any proof for your statement?
Wow ... some troll got his butt hurt.
574 / 48000
Put it in a calculator. Tell me what you get.
That’s called “math”
That’s called “facts”
Please respond to this post another 3 times.
Especially the part about how the masks work because the CDC and WHO said so - after they said they don’t work 5 months ago.
Which time is the truth for you?
The question is the length of the immunity - current studies say the antibodies to the virus (from the infected) disappear after about 3 months.
It’s hard to say that a vaccine will confer a longer immunity period.
That graphic is hilarious. Cartoon people. Well, you’ve changed my mind. (Not.)
“The mask will prevent you from transmitting the disease inadvertently, Darren”
That’s their story ... today. At the beginning, the pitch was that the mask will keep you from getting the disease. They vary their lies from month to month.
Antibodies don’t remain forever for any infection. The B-cells that produce them die off shortly after infection subsides to avoid wasting energy. What remains are Memory B-cells, which can kick off the antibody production again very quickly should that pathogen be encountered again in the future.
If your body’s B-cells and T-cells were constantly being produced and running at full steam for every pathogen you’ve ever encountered, you’d die from exhaustion pretty quickly. The loss of antibodies isn’t that concerning so long as T-cell and B-cell response remains available. Time will tell if that’s the case. It would unethical to test that by purposely reinfecting someone who’s had it before. So far I’ve seen no credible reports of actual reinfection. The early reports were due to anomalies in the PCR testing due to viral proteins remaining present in subjects longer than expected.
That’s if you listened to the CDC. Right from January, Taiwan and Japan and Vietnam have presented masks as “care for your fellow man and don’t spread the disease”
Vaccine. I hope they come out with a vaccine that they SAY is effective. I don’t care if it’s effective or not. (I won’t get it.) As long as the fearful delicate doilies BELIEVE it’s effective, I’m good with that. Maybe its existence will be the cause for lifting restrictions.
Our search identified 172 observational studies across 16 countries and six continents, with no randomised controlled trials and 44 relevant comparative studies in health-care and non-health-care settings (n=25 697 patients). Transmission of viruses was lower with physical distancing of 1 m or more, compared with a distance of less than 1 m (n=10 736, pooled adjusted odds ratio [aOR] 0·18, 95% CI 0·09 to 0·38; risk difference [RD] −10·2%, 95% CI −11·5 to −7·5; moderate certainty); protection was increased as distance was lengthened (change in relative risk [RR] 2·02 per m; pinteraction=0·041; moderate certainty). Face mask use could result in a large reduction in risk of infection (n=2647; aOR 0·15, 95% CI 0·07 to 0·34, RD −14·3%, −15·9 to −10·7; low certainty), with stronger associations with N95 or similar respirators compared with disposable surgical masks or similar (eg, reusable 12–16-layer cotton masks; pinteraction=0·090; posterior probability >95%, low certainty). Eye protection also was associated with less infection (n=3713; aOR 0·22, 95% CI 0·12 to 0·39, RD −10·6%, 95% CI −12·5 to −7·7; low certainty). Unadjusted studies and subgroup and sensitivity analyses showed similar findings.
t face masks are associated with protection, even in non-health-care settings, with either disposable surgical masks or reusable 12–16-layer cotton ones,
It wouldn’t make sense to calculate a death rate based on who died today versus how many new cases there are today. People don’t die from COVID-19 the same day they’re infected. If they did, this whole thing would have burned out extremely fast. It takes 14-16 days on average from infection to death with COVID-19.
There are two ways of calculating mortality: the Case Fatality Rate (CFR), and the Infection Fatality Rate (IFR). Calculating the CFR is rather simple: you take the total number of deaths (165,829) and divide it by the number of cases (5,218,584) for a CFR of 0.03177 or 3.18%. The IFR is more complicated. For that, you need to build statistical models to determine how many actual infections have occurred rather than just the number of cases. It’s particularly difficult for COVID-19 because 35-40% of people won’t show symptoms and another 40-45% won’t be sick enough to need medical assistance, so you’re missing a lot of cases. To fix that, you have to tie in data from antibody testing and use areas with a more isolated and easily studied population groups.
The IFR for COVID-19 has been calculated by numerous studies and the CDC as being between 0.64% and 0.66%. You’ll notice that’s much lower than the CFR, but also higher than the seasonal Influenza CFR of ~0.1%. Seasonal flu’s IFR is calculated to be between 0.025%-0.04% depending on the particular season, strain, etc. The CFR for Malaria is 0.3%, 1-3% for Measles, and it was 11% for SARS 2003. Incidentally, that last one is why SARS 2003 burned out: it didn’t spread particularly well, but for those it did spread to, symptoms were often quite severe with a significant risk of death.
Why wouldn’t you care if a vaccine is safe and effective? Should our goal not be to preserve human life? People are dying and if a vaccine saves lives, then GOOD! If HCQ+Zinc+Z-pack saves lives, then GOOD! If new treatments save lives, then GOOD!
We should be using every single tool available to save human lives from diseases like this. PARTICULARLY American lives.
That was my understanding - that the body should remember how to produce the antibodies but I keep reading breathless reports about reinfection and lack of immunity that I was beginning to question my layman’s knowledge.
There’s also some speculation that the virus goes dormant for awhile and then comes back which is why the tests are “clear” - but I still think that comes back down to test failures.
99 and 100 both purely stupid responses ...ie; “nobody else should ever die from it again.” you mean like the flu? its a virus. it mutates.
I personally know 3 people who took the test. 5 million out of 400 million? all the tests in high infection areas with likely subjects? THINK bro. the infection rate is high for a reason there.
not to mention the countless articles I’ve read about double testing, double counting, false tests, enterly made up figures? you are a purveyor of phony fear.
old trolls die the hardest
I don’t read too much into those news stories. The media never gets stories about science or technology right. Call it incompetence or call it intentional sensationalism meant to drum up fear and panic; either way don’t put much stock in that. Look to the underlying sources instead. I’ve yet to see anything suggesting an individual who has been infected with SARS-CoV-2 lacks immunity post infection. Unless and until I see evidence to the contrary, I’m going to assume this virus works the same way most others do and our immune system is doing its job.
There are some pathogens that know how to fool our immune system or that simply attack and destroy it. HIV, Ebola, and others are known to work this way. HIV in particular is incredibly resourceful at hiding from the immune system, which is why a vaccine has never worked (a vaccine just shows the immune system what the pathogen looks like, but if the immune system sees it and goes “yeah? so what?”, you don’t build any immunity). But SARS-CoV-2 doesn’t seem to work like that. When it does kill, it seems to do so by basically sandblasting your protective lung tissue such that other pathogens can hop in and create major problems. But your immune system recognizes it for what it is (a foreign pathogen). So I’m not too worried about that.
So you're wrong buddy boy - we're far from herd immunity.
You talk about "countless articles" - where are your facts boy? Or just spiel?
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