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To: DiogenesLamp
Clearly there is some aspect which needs to be explored further to qualify for your satisfaction... Any perception of intended insult is yours.

I appreciate the explanation you gave, and you are correct, my perception of insult was entirely due to mistaking your post for someone else's and reading it in the context of their previous post. I find no fault in it now that I realize my mistake.

"This philosophy is not all that distant from Fascism."

I think I see that insofar as by "Fascist" you mean the Socialist style of Nazi Germany et al in the WWII era that allowed private ownership but maintained centralized control in the extreme. I have the concept that the term fascist can also have more generic meaning that simply means something like "rule by violence", which is not necessarily a predicted outcome so much as the other definition.

"Before or after the war? Because it makes a big difference."

I was certainly thinking of events after the war when I made the comment.

"I am at a loss to understand your particular reference here. I can't think of a group more demonized than Southern slave owners. "

I was thinking in terms of the Democrats demonizing black men in the 19th century to to foment fear and racial hatred in enough white votors to tip the vote over 50% democrat. I see similar tactics today, but Trump, Republicans, and even White people in general are being demonized to foment fear and racial hatred in an attempt to push the balance of power in the hopes that Democrats, once again, would have more than 50% of the vote.

41 posted on 06/23/2020 2:35:14 PM PDT by OHelix
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To: OHelix
I was certainly thinking of events after the war when I made the comment.

I thought so, because I could not recall having read anything along these lines prior to the war.

What was going on after the war was an effort to stop the Republicans forcing subjugation on them. A lot of people may be unaware, but just after the war, white people were not allowed to vote. Only newly freed slaves were permitted to vote, and they ended up creating entirely\mostly black legislatures\congressional representatives in the occupied states. The problem with these legislatures was not that they were black, but that they lacked knowledge of what a legislature was and how it was supposed to act in creating laws. The Reps and Senators simply did what Washington DC told them to do.

These legislatures became an embarrassment for Washington DC, and they quietly restored voting rights to the white population, and you never hear anything about this in any of the history books. I only know of this because I used to have an old history book that covered it.

But the struggle for power was deadly serious. The Government was doing everything it could to force Republicans on the people of the South, and the people of the South were doing everything they could to stop it, including intimidation, terrorism and murder. After a war that killed 750,000, they considered life relatively cheap.

I was thinking in terms of the Democrats demonizing black men in the 19th century to to foment fear and racial hatred in enough white voters to tip the vote over 50% democrat.

That is exactly what they were doing. It was about control of power, and Republicans would simply hurt them more than they had already been hurt. I've read other accounts that "reconstruction" was horrible, and was also a corrupt enrichment scheme for politically connected cronies.

As the left has come out ever more moon bat crazy year after year, the idea of confronting them with violence gets less and less objectionable to me with each passing year.

I see similar tactics today, but Trump, Republicans, and even White people in general are being demonized to foment fear and racial hatred in an attempt to push the balance of power in the hopes that Democrats, once again, would have more than 50% of the vote.

Yes, but this is being done to expand Washington DC power, not reduce it. It is being done on behalf of the people who derive power from their influence in Washington, most of whom live in the Acela corridor between Washington DC and Boston.

43 posted on 06/23/2020 3:14:06 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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