Scientists 'discover two more' of the seven warships lost in the Battle of Midway (TR)

UK Daily Mail ^ | 10/18/2019 | Milly Vincent

[RitchieAprile]

wasn’t Kaga thoroughly trashed and burned? That image looks like an intact vessel.

[cdcdawg]

Just in time to promote a new movie about the Battle of Midway. I liked the 1976 movie, but I haven’t seen it in decades.

[Pox]

Looking at the bottom left corner of that picture seems to indicate that the picture itself is from 1940 or 1941, so they’re likely comparing “before” pics to what they’ve discovered.

[Sequoyah101]

How is it possible to see lines on the deck and the meatballs with sonar? Impossible to cut the gloom from that far away for visual images.

[Blueflag]

I think you are right/ that might be “original” whereas the one on the bottom has many bomb hits. It was scuttled by the Japanese DDs, but bombers from the Enterprise savaged it.

I thought the KAGA was found in 1999 or so

[Reily]

The 1976 film was a good film, told the story well in spite of the insipid subplot. It will be had to find a better Admiral Yamamoto the Toshiro Mifune!

[DIRTYSECRET]

A Japanese submarine was patrolling the area at the time. The American fleet had just passed. They could have radioed Tokyo had they seen it earlier. The outcome of the war could have been different.

[Sequoyah101]

So just an old picture for comparison.

Misleading caption.

[cdcdawg]

I have no memory of the subplot. I assume it was simply a pretense to get us to the battle scenes. That was an impressive cast, rivaling even A Bridge Too Far.

[Rockingham]

A debris field and part of the Kaga were found in 1999, but the main part of the wreck escaped detection then.

[Retain Mike]

The Midway victory permanently seized the initiative from the Japanese. One could easily paraphrase Winston Churchill to say never have so many who fought in the Pacific owed so much to so few. Not counting the B-17’s that stayed aloft, about 550 flyers closely engaged the Japanese and suffered nearly 300 deaths. Walter Lord and Gordon W. Prange considered this accomplishment incredible and miraculous. For Mitsuo Fuchida and Masatake Okumiya, it was the battle that doomed Japan.

[deport]

AP Photos aren’t allowed on FR. Legal issue.

[dblshot]

I spent a year on Kure Atoll in 1980 with the Coast Guard. Kure is about 50 miles from Midway. We were warned there was unexploded munitions in the lagoon but I never saw any despite almost daily snorkeling for Lobsters.

[jimmygrace]

There was that subplot about Charles Heston’s son falling in love with a Japanese internment victim...

[MacNaughton]

In the 1976 film it was presented that a flight of USN planes spotted a lone Japanese ship steaming hard. They deduced that it was it trying to catch up to the main carrier fleet and followed it. In reality it was a lone USN sub doing picket duty that spotted the carrier fleet and alerted higher ups that the Japanese carrier force was searching for the USN carrier force.

[yarddog]

Around a month ago, I ordered Tora, Tora, Tora on DVD. I had not seen it in many years. I am one of those people who watch a movie then don’t remember a whole lot or just never noticed to start with.

I thought it was pretty good but a little boring. Watched it again a few days later and it seemed to improve. I did think there was a lot of discussion among people both Japanese and American leaders.

Watched it again last night and it was much better. I began to understand all the things which took place.

[MacNaughton]

12 ... For Mitsuo Fuchida and Masatake Okumiya, it was the battle that doomed Japan.

Published in 1953, it is the story of Fuchida's Christian conversion.

Mitsuo Fuchida (3 December 1902 – 30 May 1976) was a Japanese captain in the Imperial Japanese Navy Air Service and a bomber aviator in the Japanese navy before and during World War II. He is perhaps best known for leading the first wave of air attacks on Pearl Harbor on 7 December 1941. Working under the overall fleet commander, Vice Admiral Chūichi Nagumo, Fuchida was responsible for the coordination of the entire aerial attack.

After the war ended, Fuchida became a Christian evangelist and traveled through the United States and Europe to tell his story. He settled permanently in the United States (although he never became a U.S. citizen).

[xkaydet65]

Mifune IMO was robotic and it was hard to take Arnold from Happy Days, Pat Morita, as Adm Kusaka.

[yarddog]

When I first saw that story I couldn’t believe it was true. Just too good to be true but in fact it was.