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Tulsi Gabbard: Neocons in Trump administration 'placed dynamite and lit the fuse' for war with Iran
Fox News ^ | June 2019 | Charles Creitz

Posted on 06/27/2019 9:50:02 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege

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To: 9YearLurker

Bolton was around and active back then and isn’t a neocon.

Are all isolationist doves dimwits?


41 posted on 06/28/2019 12:45:56 PM PDT by Oklahoma
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Let me know the moment she blames the USA for Pearl Harbor.


42 posted on 06/28/2019 12:48:30 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (THEY LIVE, and we're the only ones wearing the Sunglasses.)
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To: Jim Noble

>>>The US relationship with Israel is going to change, because of the tides of history if nothing else<<<

Do you mean when some crazy Islamist backed by Iran armed with Nukes wipes Israel off the Map? I guess that will change the relationship.


43 posted on 06/28/2019 12:57:33 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (THEY LIVE, and we're the only ones wearing the Sunglasses.)
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To: Kickass Conservative
Do you mean when some crazy Islamist backed by Iran armed with Nukes wipes Israel off the Map?

That is one possibility, of course.

But I had in mind some things not quite that drastic.

44 posted on 06/28/2019 1:44:51 PM PDT by Jim Noble (1)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Blah, blah, blah.


45 posted on 06/28/2019 1:46:40 PM PDT by McGruff
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To: McGruff

Referring to?


46 posted on 06/28/2019 1:50:39 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: Oklahoma

He is a neocon and you have given no evidence to the contrary. Neocon now references a larger, hawkish perspective, most often around the Middle East, while grasping to some claims of conservatism.


47 posted on 06/28/2019 2:05:31 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

“But our duty as a Western nation and gatekeeper of our Judeo-Christian social fabric and historic legacy”

Sorry, I don’t know what that means.


48 posted on 06/28/2019 2:12:06 PM PDT by Jim Noble (1)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

“But our duty as a Western nation and gatekeeper of our Judeo-Christian social fabric and historic legacy”

Sorry, I don’t know what that means.


49 posted on 06/28/2019 2:14:27 PM PDT by Jim Noble (1)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

designating Iran’s military as a terrorist organization — something unprecedented

If she can’t get this right what is the point of listening
to her. Iran has been at war with us for 40 years, we just
keep ignoring it hoping they will go away...they won’t.


50 posted on 06/28/2019 2:16:45 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: 9YearLurker

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatismikipedia

Neoconservatism

This article is about political movement in the United States. For other regions, see Neoconservatism (disambiguation) and Conservatism § Modern conservatism in different countries.
Neoconservatism (commonly shortened to neocon when labelling its adherents) is a political movement born in the United States during the 1960s among liberal hawks who became disenchanted with the increasingly pacifist foreign policy of the Democratic Party, and the growing New Left and counterculture, in particular the Vietnam protests. Some also began to question their liberal beliefs regarding domestic policies such as the Great Society.

Neoconservatives typically advocate the promotion of democracy and American national interest in international affairs, including peace through strength (by means of military force), and are known for espousing disdain for communism and for political radicalism.[1][2]

Many of its adherents became politically famous during the Republican presidential administrations of the 1970s, 1980s, 1990s, and 2000s as neoconservatives peaked in influence during the administration of George W. Bush, when they played a major role in promoting and planning the 2003 invasion of Iraq.[3] Prominent neoconservatives in the George W. Bush administration included Paul Wolfowitz, Elliott Abrams, Richard Perle, and Paul Bremer. While not identifying as neoconservatives, senior officials Vice President Dick Cheney and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld listened closely to neoconservative advisers regarding foreign policy, especially the defense of Israel and the promotion of American influence in the Middle East.

Historically speaking, the term “neoconservative” refers to those who made the ideological journey from the anti-Stalinist left to the camp of American conservatism during the 1960s and 1970s.[4] The movement had its intellectual roots in the Jewish monthly review magazine Commentary, edited by Norman Podhoretz and published by the American Jewish Committee.[5][6] They spoke out against the New Left and in that way helped define the movement


51 posted on 06/28/2019 2:26:45 PM PDT by Oklahoma
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To: Jim Noble

Our own nation’s destiny is wrapped up with that of Jerusalem’s. These are spiritual ties that bind.

The Western world can’t forget that. It’s when we forget our spiritual bonds between civilizations from Jerusalem to Athens to Rome -— that disasters happen and you see the mess Europe has become now.

Also I think when you fully absorb the full extent and weight of the Holocaust, one’s worldview can’t help but be affected.

Never again.

When we pulled out of the Nuclear Deal, the Iranian government broke into chants of “Death to America.” “Death to Israel” is their other favorite mantra.


52 posted on 06/28/2019 2:31:29 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: Oklahoma

Oh, look, from the article you were trying to link to:

“During the late 1970s, neoconservatives tended to endorse Ronald Reagan, the Republican who promised to confront Soviet expansionism. Neoconservatives organized in the American Enterprise Institute and The Heritage Foundation to counter the liberal establishment.[36]

In another (2004) article, Michael Lind also wrote:[37]
Neoconservatism ... originated in the 1970s as a movement of anti-Soviet liberals and social democrats in the tradition of Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, Humphrey and Henry (’Scoop’) Jackson, many of whom preferred to call themselves ‘paleoliberals.’ [After the end of the Cold War] ... many ‘paleoliberals’ drifted back to the Democratic center ... Today’s neocons are a shrunken remnant of the original broad neocon coalition. Nevertheless, the origins of their ideology on the left are still apparent. The fact that most of the younger neocons were never on the left is irrelevant; they are the intellectual (and, in the case of William Kristol and John Podhoretz, the literal) heirs of older ex-leftists.”

And there is more:

“In July 2008, Joe Klein wrote in Time that today’s neoconservatives are more interested in confronting enemies than in cultivating friends. He questioned the sincerity of neoconservative interest in exporting democracy and freedom, saying: “Neoconservatism in foreign policy is best described as unilateral bellicosity cloaked in the utopian rhetoric of freedom and democracy”.[97]

In February 2009, Andrew Sullivan wrote he no longer took neoconservatism seriously because its basic tenet was defense of Israel:[98]
The closer you examine it, the clearer it is that neoconservatism, in large part, is simply about enabling the most irredentist elements in Israel and sustaining a permanent war against anyone or any country who disagrees with the Israeli right. That’s the conclusion I’ve been forced to these last few years. And to insist that America adopt exactly the same constant-war-as-survival that Israelis have been slowly forced into ... But America is not Israel. And once that distinction is made, much of the neoconservative ideology collapses.

Neoconservatives respond to charges of merely rationalizing aid for Israel by noting that their “position on the Middle East conflict was exactly congruous with the neoconservative position on conflicts everywhere else in the world, including places where neither Jews nor Israeli interests could be found – not to mention the fact that non-Jewish neoconservatives took the same stands on all of the issues as did their Jewish confrères”.[99]”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism


53 posted on 06/28/2019 7:30:06 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

But the Dems want war with Russia, so it’s ok.


54 posted on 06/28/2019 9:13:38 PM PDT by Henry Hnyellar
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To: 9YearLurker

You prove my point.

Quoting Michael Lind, Joe Klein and Andrew Sullivan (all left wing or moderate cranks) shows you are another one of those isolationist, angry moderates that shouldn’t be calling themselves Conservative. Including the portion concerning Israel (if you believe it) seems to indicate anti-semitism.

You and Pat Buchanan and Tulsi Gabbard belong in the same party.


55 posted on 06/28/2019 9:18:07 PM PDT by Oklahoma
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To: Oklahoma

I am none of those things, you idiot. I quoted from the same article you posted to me—wikipedia, to show you how in common discourse the term neocon has changed from its original qualification.

That’s all. By common usage at this point, Bolton is a neocon. What matters is he’s a warmonger who is part of the globalist war machine.


56 posted on 06/29/2019 2:58:47 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

A Ford isn’t a Chevrolet and a Chevrolet isn’t a Ford. A Coke isn’t a Pepsi and a Pepsi isn’t a Coke. I don’t give a damn how many fools misuse a word that doesn’t make their use correct.

Neo Conservative means New Conservative and Bolton wasn’t one. He was supporting Goldwater when he was still a teenager. You want to use Neo-Con as an insult and apply it to individuals that aren’t. It is a type of lying. It is no different than me calling you an anti-semite if you aren’t just because you don’t support Israel.


57 posted on 06/29/2019 5:41:16 AM PDT by Oklahoma
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To: Oklahoma

Your idea of how language, its usage and the meaning of words works isn’t how it works.


58 posted on 06/29/2019 5:46:37 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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