New North Korean Missile Is A 'Monster'

npr ^ | November 30, 20172:12 PM ET | Geoff Brumfiel

[thepoodlebites]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fu62k4K4sQ4

[Bonemaker]

“Track KMS-4 at n2yo.com and be sure to enlarge of the map, so you can see where it’s at in relationship to the United States, and how it crosses the United States. “

Will it reach Manhattan?

[steve86]

North Korea’s KMS-3 and KMS-4 satellites were launched to the south on polar trajectories...

I'm sure that the X37B et. al. have collected extensive nuclear emissions (if any) data from those satellites and ground-based observations have derived mass from orbital data. In other words, we know whether or not a nuclear payload is present to a high degree of confidence. Pretty straightforward to rule it out if the satellites are light weight and quiet emissions-wise. Rumors that our equipment can detect even the most heavily shielded nuclear materials using multipass scanning technologies.

[xrmusn]

That this may be true makes me say I am not taking it ‘lightly’

BUT

The people ALARMING us about this missile are the same ones that told us in 1990 that The Republican Guard of Iraq was a true battle hardened outfit that would make short shrift of the fat and lazy US forces who had lost the will to fight..

Well ‘Stormin Norman’ and Company sort of didn’t read the headlines or something.

Remember the CIA was instrumental in getting out the word about the ‘Republican Guard’

Of course the Average Lib and D never ‘feared’ the Republican Guard and the US forces had them beaten into the dust before the LIBs could change their name like they hijacked ‘Blue States’ from ‘us’....

[Brooklyn Attitude]

The question is who is supplying the Norks with these missiles?

[sushiman]

“I say destroy this regime and their missile and nuke capacity and do it now. Use nukes if needed. “

Easy for you to say . You don’t live in Kyushu , Japan very close to to Korea , as I do , and won’t have to deal with the fallout from the blast .

[DannyTN]

Time to send in the expert teams.

[Psalm 73]

"Doctor"

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"Doctor"....

[Yosemitest]

"Will it reach Manhattan ?"

Do you understand that a satellite orbits the earth and these two satellites both have a "LOW-ALTITUDE EARTH ORBIT" ?
The orbit track changes a little on each orbit and moves further east on its north/south track.
SO .... IF the satellite is OVER Manhattan at an altitude about 500 miles above the earth's surface when it was detonated ... ,
then YES ... IT WOULD affect Manhattan, knotting out electronics probably for the eastern half of the United States,
and the southeastern third of Canada, and most of the vessels and aircraft in those areas as well as those in and over the northern Atlantic Ocean.

Read this excerpt:

EXPERT: NORTH KOREA H-BOMB IS 'SUPER-EMP WEAPON'
Explosion over U.S. could send nation back into agrarian age
Published: 01/06/2016


" ... Peter Pry, an expert on electromagnetic pulse weapons, told WND the explosion indeed was such a device.

Pry said Pyongyang’s latest test, which followed three others each in the range of 10 kilotons or less, was “another kind of H-Bomb,” a neutron bomb, or enhanced radiation weapon such as a super-EMP weapon.

Such weapons constitute, essentially, a “very low-yield H-Bomb that typically has yields of 1-10 kilotons, just like the North Korean device,” he said.

North Korea has been conducting underground nuclear tests since February 2013, all of which have been of low-kiloton yield.

Pry previously has warned that Pyongyang was working on a low-yield radiation bomb with very high emissions of gamma rays.

A year ago (2015), Pry told WND that North Korea was working on such a device,
but that the Obama administration denied it had developed miniaturized nuclear warheads and missiles to deliver them.

The denial, Pry said, came despite an assessment by both the Defense Intelligence Agency and the Central Intelligence Agency that such do indeed exist.

“President Obama himself began this big lie amidst the 2013 nuclear crisis when North Korea was threatening to make nuclear missile strikes against the U.S. and its allies,” Pry said.

Pry is a former analyst for the Central Intelligence Agency and a former staff director of the congressionally mandated EMP commission
that examined the likely effects of an EMP on the U.S. national grid system and unprotected electronics.
He also is the executive director of the congressional advisory Task Force on National and Homeland Security and the U.S. Nuclear Strategy Forum.

Learn the real dangers America faces in “A Nation Forsaken – EMP: The Escalating Threat of an American Catastrophe.”

Pry, like other experts on EMP, was concerned that
the North Koreans could launch a missile with a satellite
that could constitute a nuclear device designed to explode on command at a high altitude
over a highly populated area of a highly technical society such as the United States.

Such an explosion would be capable of knocking out the nation’s already vulnerable electrical grid system and all of the life-sustaining critical infrastructures that depend on it.
From food supply chains, fuel supply systems, communications, banking and more, all grid-dependent systems could suffer. ..."

Also read :

One Second After (A John Matherson Novel) ;

One Year After: A John Matherson Novel ;

and The Final Day: A John Matherson Novel .

[Yosemitest]

Let's ASSUME that they ARE SUPER EMP SATELLITES.
HOW should we disarm them, or HOW should we GET RID of them ?
Chances are that they are not "SHIELDED" and an EMP transmitting missile transmitting at a close range behind them, might knock them off-line and make it to where North Korea could NOT detonate them.
If we simple blow them to pieces, what are the chances of accidentally detonating them ?

Your thoughts ... suggestions ?

[DannyTN]

“Glad I’m not sick!” - Bob Hope

[BereanBrain]

The bigger the missile, the easier to shoot down :)

[Cvengr]

Maybe he could aim at a San Francisco courthouse...just testing...

[BenLurkin]

Works for me.

[Paul R.]

If we simple blow them to pieces, what are the chances of accidentally detonating them ?

About zero.

The way a nuke works, you have to bring together quite(!) precisely 2 or more subcritical masses of fissile material. The timing and mating of surfaces have to be "right". Or, one can (again quite precisely, including the timing of the charges used) compress a subcritical mass of fissile material into a denser critical mass. Doing either with an explosion external to the device is virtually impossible.

That said, we do not need to "blow them to pieces". A little shrapnel (at near orbital velocities), or holing the device in any critical area with a high power laser, would do the job, as would a small EMP as you suggest.) The Wikipedia articles on Little Boy and Fat Man are quite worth reading, to gain understanding of the basic technology -- considerably improved in 2017, of course.

[Paul R.]

This brings up an interesting point.

Why have the Norks decided to push a direct threat to the US? In the past, their blackmail could be backed by the threat of pounding Seoul, or, use of WMD relatively locally (South Korea or perhaps Japan.) Yes, we would pound them to ashes if they ever carried out the threat, but, in the past, the threat itself was enough for the Norks to succeed in their blackmail.

Developing a strike capability against the US mainland will not “deter” the US unless the Norks believe their capability to hit the US can survive a strike by us. That is very unlikely. What IS more likely is the possibility of a pre-emptive U.S. & allies strike, or for China to increasingly realize that the benefits of its support of the North may come to be outweighed by the risks.

Is it possible that the Norks are simply desperate, perhaps in part because the Allies’ defenses are sufficient, or becoming sufficient, to blunt “conventional” and perhaps even local WMD offense by the North? Keep in mind the Allies’ anti-missile defenses, considerable (and competent) counter battery capabilities, and that the Allies can put over 1000 planes into the area near Seoul (along the DMZ and north of it, where all that Nork artillery is located.)

[Yosemitest]

What my concern was, ... is about a reverse detonation signal.

One that ... as long as it's receiving a transmission ... it will not trip the detonator.
But if the transmission is lost or 'broken' ... then the detonator will go off ... bringing the two halves together.
If you blow it up, how much time from 'loss-of-signal' to detonation ? .... Milliseconds ? ? ?

[Bonemaker]

Incredibly fascinating! Of course it is all theoretical..but so was the A bomb until Trinity.

[snoringbear]

“Is it possible that the Norks are simply desperate, perhaps in part because the Allies’ defenses are sufficient, or becoming sufficient, to blunt “conventional” and perhaps even local WMD offense by the North? Keep in mind the Allies’ anti-missile defenses, considerable (and competent) counter battery capabilities, and that the Allies can put over 1000 planes into the area near Seoul (along the DMZ and north of it, where all that Nork artillery is located.)”

A very thoughtful post for sure. The problem though is that these thousands of artillery pieces are what might be called dumb weapons. And, each piece has already been zeroed in on pre-assigned grid coordinates to fire upon. And, once the “fire” command is given each arty piece can get off four rounds within a minute. So, even though we (U.S. and South Koreans) may know where most perhaps even all of the arty pieces are located it would be impossible to destroy them before they lay down dozens of volleys on Seoul. So, aside from our responding to a first strike by NK I’m thinking the Chinese must be persuaded to assinate the little fat guy and replace him with someone that they can control. Sadly, other than an internal coup, which doesn’t appear to be in the cards, I don’t see a bloodless solution for us and our allies.