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Posted on 04/28/2017 2:04:28 AM PDT by Godebert
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With a mastadon chasing you, might be able to beeak that personal best. ;>)
But re: JFK’s physical fitness program occurred in 1960-62. Nobody then thought of running marathons except for a few Olympian candidates and then as solo training not the mass events of today. Non specific athletic shoes were Keds, etc.
In any case, my remark was to show that the “one mile a day” prehistoric chap as capable of covering far more ground on a daily basis if needs must.
Because a whole bunch of people wrote dissertations saying that they had only been here a few thousand years.
Once the scientific community has formed their "consensus" then anyone trying to say different has a tough row to hoe.
And most of time the consensus comes from people inventing a story and trying to fit the evidence into it.
I don’t find this argument convincing. Carbon dating only goes back around 45,000 years so thats out of the question. Even if this alternative dating works its working on animal remains, not human remains. Also everywhere humans went they wrought massive changes on the environment, especially on the megafauna.
Also, wherever photo-humans such as homo erectus went first most of the mega fauna adapted enough to hunting pressure to survive the later arrival of homo sapien. So elephants and lions and tigers and rhinos survived in India because homo erectus got there first. But sewing wasn’t invented until homo sapien so photo humans never went far north. So when homo sapien hits northern eurasia the mega fauna was devastated just like when homo sapiens hit the western hemisphere and Australia.
If proto humans really came to America they would have produced the same changes they produced elsewhere, yet that did not happen.
The Ice People
When a French expedition in Antarctica reveals the ruins of a 900,000 years old civilization, scientists from all over the world flock to the site to help explore and understand. The entire planet watches via global satellite television, mesmerized, as the explorers uncover a chamber in which a man and a woman have been in suspended animation since, as the French title suggests, “the night of time”. The woman, Éléa, is awakened, and through a translating machine she tells the story of her world, herself and her man Païkan, and how war destroyed her civilization.
She also hints at an incredibly advanced knowledge that her still-dormant companion possesses (who is not her love Païkan, but the scientist Coban, whom she hates), knowledge that could give energy and food to all humans at no cost. But the superpowers of the world are not ready to let Éléa’s secrets spread, and show that, 900,000 years and an apocalypse later, mankind has not grown up and is ready to make the same mistakes again.
“Ils sont là ! Ils sont nous ! Ils ont repeuplé le monde, et ils sont aussi cons qu’avant, et prêts à faire de nouveau sauter la baraque. C’est pas beau, ça ? C’est l’homme !”
“They’re here! They’re us! They repopulated the world, and they’re just as dumb as before, and ready to blow up the house again. Isn’t it great? It’s man.”
Down in South America, you have the Bonampak murals showing negro people:
And the colossal Olmec heads:
Plus the evidence of an Asian race shown in Olmec masks:
Better not ask how these people reached South America, or where they came from.
Now you've done it. Now I'll have to go back and review Diamond. My reaction at the time was that his analysis, while provocative and briskly argued, was very much a series of "just so" stories. The Americas, north and south, are extraordinarily blessed with natural resources and vast areas of superior climate, soils, weather, etc. Surely the path to high civilization is not so inherently narrow that you can get there only with wheat, but not with corn. Etc., etc., etc. The Indians were moving ahead with large, settled agricultural populations, with Central America in the lead but with some interesting things happening in North America as well. I imagine they would eventually have climbed the ladder. But it's curious that they were so slow.
and they had real cool dish towels.
The Izapa Stela Number 5 illustrates the arrival of a Caucasian people on a raft, bringing with them a living palm tree...and possibly SLAVES of African origin.
...Broken bones and rocks yield evidence that pushes back the record of early humans in North America by more than 100,000 years...
Question the dating:
He said the explains the (obvious) various races in that area.
A 1491 Timeline:
25000-35000 B.C. Time of paleo-Indian migration to Americas from Siberia, according to genetic evidence. Groups likely traveled across the Pacific in boats.
Gavin Menzies? He’s being attacked of course. I read both 1491 and 1434.
The Olmec heads are very interesting.
Walked here from the Indian sub-continent when sea levels were lower?
I’ve never been Down Under but would like to see it sometime.
I think I found it:
’ When the first Europeans arrived in that part of the world they found coconuts planted along the Pacific coasts and on islands off the coasts coconuts being plants which originated in the Far East. They also found Chinese ship dogs and Chinese rice. Drake captured a Chinese junk trading between North and South America whose pilot had a chart showing the Pacific. Taking all this evidence in the round, it seems to me inescapable that the Chinese and Japanese lived in this small part of the Isthmus of Darien and created settlements there before the first Europeans arrived for, as mentioned in earlier talks, the first Europeans found Chinese people already settled on the Pacific coasts of both North and South America. The puzzle is, why should this be?...’
Taking all this evidence in the round, it seems to me inescapable that the Chinese and Japanese lived in this small part of the Isthmus of Darien ( Panama)>>>>>>>>>>>>
One wonders what the Chinese inns had on their menus?
Rice, BBQ pork, and noodles I’d bet.
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