Posted on 06/21/2016 7:23:46 AM PDT by Kozy
Crowder is brilliant.
At gun shows, if you have a good person who heads the gun show your involved with, such as I did, you have to present your FFL to the person running the gun show...you are then required to pay a fee for that space...
When a private person comes around, usually a collector of guns, and he wants to sell his gun, and another private person comes along and they bargain on price, and the sale is done...some gun show people who run the gun shows will not allow this to happen, as my person did: “Take it off the property if your going to sell to each other, this is a licensed show” meaning we all were FFL licensed...
This is the ‘loop hole’ they are talking about, but if your a collector and you see a gun in one of the magazines you still cannot sell you gun to another private dealer because it is going over State Lines, it has to be shipped from an FFL dealer in your area to an FFL dealer to where the buyer is, and it is run thru NCIC...
Basically, the “gun show loophole” is PRIVATE SELLS!
Bottom line, the gun grabbers want to criminalize the sell of weapons between two private parties.
That is EXACTLY what they mean when they say “gun show loophole”. It is their camel’s nose under the tent, so that they can start tracking the ownership and movement of any weapon in America.
The problem is, once again, this law will only be applicable to law-abiding citizens. 99.9% of all would-be criminals (who are purchasing a weapon for malcontent purposes) will NOT be following this law (or any other laws like those against murder or gun-free zone signs or brandishing or, etc....)!!
http://smartgunlaws.org/private-sales-in-california/
There is no ‘gun show loophole’ in California and it hasn’t stopped any of the violence here.
Gun show loop holes are little loops around the top of your pants that liberals use to put the barrel of their guns so you can see their guns. That way everyone will know that they they know how evil AR-47s are from personal experience.
Propaganda to proclaim that liberals are trying to make everyone go through the government to ask permission to buy a gun an not all avenues of obtaining a gun do that.
If you want to buy a gun owned by a private citizen, and he is willing to sell, you exchange money for gun. End of story.
Basically, you are trading your property to a willing buyer.
Now imagine, if you couldn’t OWN property which is what
a socialist state declares, then you would have to get a
government clearance to “sell” your car, your house, your
land, or any transaction, and if it came to it, you might
be ordered to sell, after all it really belongs to the state.
So, what the Grabbers are after is, all firearms would be
owned by the state and subject to any laws and regulations
the state should decree.
NOT, what we signed the Constitution for, and many of us
have taken an oath on that Constitution. It’s up to us
to uphold it.
They are anything they couldn’t get into their previous bills. Anything they want, but is a political overreach that they know will cause the bill to fail to pass gets left out. Then once the bill passes, they go back to what they originally wanted. The missing parts become “loopholes” for the next round.
If you own private property...like say a gun...and you want to sell it...well a gun show would be a good place to go and find a buyer, and you don’t have to do a background check. You could do the same on any number if internet sites. Its your property, and you should be free to sell it.
Now the media will give you the impression that the vendors who have a stall at the show are selling guns, without a background check. Not very likely. I think the threshold is 5 sales a year, before the ATF considers you to be a dealer, so it’d be pretty stupid to set up a booth and start selling without doing the checks.
Why are they lying? Well this ‘loophole’ dealing with private gun transfer, if closed, would require any law abiding probate lawyer to do a background check, before passing down grandpa’s gun collection to the heirs...which is a de facto registration on them. Its a way to sweep up all the heirloom guns that aren’t registered or even known about...you know, the next time a Hurricane Katrina hits and the government wants to confiscate guns.
Will it stop mass shootings? Nope.
Amen, Brother.
I’ve seen personal firearms for sale at gun shows. They are usually oddball rifles.
OOH!!! I KNOW THIS ONE!!
It’s a made-up term that means whatever liberals want it to mean so they can stop more gun sales?
Requiring a background check on a private sale means you no longer own your guns.
The .gov will now step in and decide how, where, when and to whom you may transfer property. It’s conceivable that the .gov will step in and confiscate your weapons if it decides you are not worthy of exercising your 2A rights.
Camel’s nose, slippery slope - call it what you want.
private sales.
You have a 15 year old pickup truck, Pedro down the street needs a used pickup truck he wants to buy yours for $2500.
But your only option is to sell it to an auto dealer for $2000 and the dealer can sell it to Pedro for $3000.
See, everyone wins but you and Pedro.
Those are gun show loopholes.
There is no gun show loophole. The hoplophobes just don’t like the fact that gun shows gives so many gun owners who do not possess Federal Firearms Licenses opportunity to congregate and, in doing so, opportunity to LEGALLY sell and trade firearms among themselves without any federal paperwork.
In they eyes of the law, the transactions that occur between non-FFLs at a gun show are no different from the same transaction if it were to occur elsewhere, so to call it a “loophole” is a blatant lie. What puts the hoplophobe’s panties in a bunch is that, for some inexplicable reason, when you hold an event called a “gun show,” quite a lot of the people who show up will do tend to be interested in guns. And free market capitalism will tend to take place, even among those who lack an FFL.
At its roots, the alleged “Gun Show Loophole” is a “stalking horse,” a hoplophobe propaganda campaign meant to paint this as some moral crusade, when what’s really happening is that they think their irrational fear of firearms somehow justifies efforts to limit the 1st Amendment rights of gun owners, specifically the Freedom of Assembly, based entirely on the fact that they have elected to exercise their rights under the 2nd Amendment.
To exercise the 2nd is to lose the 1st. This, to liberals, passes for logic.
In California the fee is added as a surcharge to the total. The problem is the fee for handling a private party transaction (PPT) is limited to $10 for the FFL, who may lose money on the deal, which includes storing the firearm for the 10 day waiting period. The law requires a FFL to do a PPT but many of them try to put impediments to such transactions in hope of influencing buyers to go elsewhere. It is not unheard of for a PPT to take all afternoon as the FFL stops working on it to serve regular customers. Like everything else about CA's gun laws it is all about discouraging gun buyers.
I got this....
A gunshot loop hole is like a Tax loophole.
A tax loophole means, The liberals and misc. stupid people presume that ALL MONEY BELONGS TO the government. And if you write off anything on your taxes, no matter how perfectally legal and well within the tax code, you are ripping off the gubment of THEIR money.
SImmilarly, a Gun Show loophole presumes that all guns should be illegal and sales tightly regulated through the ATF in licensed shops.
If you buy a gun from a friend you are cutting the gubment out of the picture
and that should be illegal.
Don’t forget the “internet loopholes” too.
Libturds are certain this is all true. My retarded libturd coworker was going on about this yesterday and I challenged the stoopid bastard to go to a gun show and purchase a firearm without a NICS background check (I do it all the time, BTW, but I have a Texas CHL so I have already passed).
He retreated to the “I won’t have a gun in my house” lame lingo, and then it was on to how it is a RECORD 75 DEGREES IN GREENLAND, THERE GO THE GLACIERS.
At which point I reminded the little wiggler that the Vikings farmed Iceland and Greenland a thousand years ago, something not possible right now, and was it man-made global warming that made the climate so warm back then.
This time I got crickets. I love smacking that guy around, he won’t give up, but he will shut up. Temporarily.
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