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Fake Reading Instruction is Biggest Con of all
religion.rantrave.com ^ | Feb. 6, 2016 | Bruce Deitrick Price

Posted on 03/12/2016 5:36:05 PM PST by BruceDeitrickPrice

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To: caver

Thank you.


21 posted on 03/12/2016 7:41:41 PM PST by BruceDeitrickPrice (education reform)
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To: caver
I learned to read at age 3, but then I'm brilliant. ☺
22 posted on 03/12/2016 7:52:59 PM PST by Bethaneidh (Likely to annoy someone every time. Get over it.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

That is very cool! :-)


23 posted on 03/13/2016 6:31:50 AM PDT by left that other site (You shall know the Truth, and The Truth Shall Set You Free.)
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To: cornelis
Hmm...

Hmmm...

Actually, I've never seen shape notes used for anythng but a partcular genre of music, namely what's known to some as "white spirituals" -- 18th and 19th century Christian congregational hymnody.

For your Bach, you probably need them ol' round notes after all... :o)

24 posted on 03/13/2016 9:01:56 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("To see the Judge in glory crowned/ And see the flaming sky." - Idumea)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice; moose07
My #6 son, about whose reading instruction I've written before, has completed Alpha-Phonics and is now diligently using his phonics to read everything that crosses his line of sight. He hasn't entirely stopped reading words backwards, especially when a word begins with a vowel (who knows why), and he still flips letters vertically (b/p, M/W) sometimes. However, he can pick and Easy Reader book off the library shelf and get through it with very limited assistance.

It infuriates me that children aren't taught to read. It's just not that difficult.

25 posted on 03/13/2016 1:53:28 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("The world is full of wonder, but you see it only if you look." ~NicknamedBob)
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To: Bethaneidh

Three of my sons could instantly read, with little or know instruction, when they were three years old. It seems to be just a brain function that some children have.


26 posted on 03/13/2016 1:56:03 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("The world is full of wonder, but you see it only if you look." ~NicknamedBob)
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To: Tax-chick; BruceDeitrickPrice

You’re both absolutely correct on this.
I was taught to read phonetically before going to School, this was a huge advantage. However even if you could read you where forced to go through all of the books in order from the beginning, in an attempt to de-educate you.
I learned what little punctuation I can utilise from a book about ten years ago. Eleven years of school and no real idea on how to use a comma. (They Won).
They also succeeded in wiping out any latent mathematical ability that was available using similar techniques.

School assistants/ Volunteers are prohibited from teaching the Children Phonetics to this day.
It is ,as you say, a Massive drive to render the population educationally dysfunctional.


27 posted on 03/13/2016 2:59:52 PM PDT by moose07 (DMCS (Dit Me Cong San ) - Nah. Put the Cheese down and step away.!)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice
This educational poison could not continue if schooling was privately owned and delivered. Could you imagine a restaurant chain or supermarket chain systematically poisoning its customers?

Yes, you are right about Whole Word reading methods but the evil will not go away until the government's monopoly and price-fixed ( at tuition-free) schools are abolished. As you pointed out, too many white collar employees are gaming a living from the evil.

28 posted on 03/13/2016 3:10:54 PM PDT by wintertime (Stop treating government teachers like they are reincarnated Mother Teresas!)
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To: Robert DeLong

What good advice? Parents and concerned taxpayers have been protesting insane teaching methods at local school boards for decades. Things do change. They are continually changing for the worse!

Too many white collar government employees benefit from the evil system that exists. In my county the government schools are the biggest single employer in the county. They have the biggest and most lavishly appointed facilities. The largest payroll. No other business comes close.

The solution: Begin the process of privatizing all education.


29 posted on 03/13/2016 3:15:25 PM PDT by wintertime (Stop treating government teachers like they are reincarnated Mother Teresas!)
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To: wintertime
If you have children of your own, teach them to read at home when they are roughly five years old. This is quite doable and you will prevent the school from hurting them.

If you are worried about the community's children, you should ask the local schools what methods are being used. If lists of sight-words are being sent home with children in the first grade, you know a school is lost and corrupted. The way to stop this con is quite simple: no more sight-words.

But specifically: teach your children to read

30 posted on 03/13/2016 4:18:17 PM PDT by Robert DeLong (u)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

When I learned to read in the first grade, it seemed to come to me in an instant. I read all of my books and took my older sister’s books and read them as well. I then read everything that was available. My mother went to every library sale that she could find and I read all of those, including encyclopedias and dictionaries.


31 posted on 03/13/2016 4:26:58 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Nailbiter

bflr


32 posted on 03/13/2016 4:31:22 PM PDT by Nailbiter
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To: Robert DeLong
I homeschooled 3 of my four children. I taught them to read as preschoolers. They entered college at the ages of 13, 12, and 13. They finished all college general course and Calculus 3 by the age of 15. Two earned B.S. degrees in mathematics by the age of 18. One earned a M.S. in math by 20.

The oldest of the three has a masters in accounting and works as a C.P.A. He earned this at a normal age because he attended college part-time. He was a nationally and internationally ranked athlete and traveled the world representing the United States.

My oldest child received the typical American institutional government schooling. He received **tons** of pre schooling and after-schooling. The only thing the government school did was send home a curriculum for me, his father, and my son to follow in the **home**. He had the opportunity to leave school at the age of 16 and attend community college but it was his wish to finish his high school institutional government schooling. Even though he attended government institutional schools, he is fundamentally homeschooled.

33 posted on 03/13/2016 4:37:53 PM PDT by wintertime (Stop treating government teachers like they are reincarnated Mother Teresas!)
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To: Robert DeLong
I am worried about the community's children. Government schooling is hopelessly evil and its reading program is only one small part of the evil.

If we wish to save this nation and our children's freedom under the Constitution and rule of law, abolishing the government's system of socialist, monopoly, and price-fixed schooling is one of the major steps that must be taken.

Solution: Begin the process of privatizing education in this nation.

34 posted on 03/13/2016 4:41:03 PM PDT by wintertime (Stop treating government teachers like they are reincarnated Mother Teresas!)
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To: wintertime
I have been saying for decades now that schools are the biggest crippler of this nation. They are producing idiots who are incapable of thinking for themselves. Socialism has been so ingrained into how they perceive everything, and thus think they are entitled.

Great job you did with your kids. My grandfather was an educator and my father graduated at 13 as well and went to college. He hated it though because he was too young to meet girls since they were not interested in a 13 year old. But he did become a Dr. Then he joined the military to be in Europe with his father during WWII. But his father was in Germany and my dad was sent to Italy.

35 posted on 03/13/2016 4:59:59 PM PDT by Robert DeLong (u)
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To: Robert DeLong
I bet you are smart and hardworking, too.

As you drive by your local high school, think of the top 5 to 10% of the teens stuck in those centers of ignorance. They, too, could be doing what your dad and my children did.

As for college and socialization, it was a drop them off, wait in the library, and pick up after class situation. It wasn't until they were in their later teens that they began to join in socially with the other students. For socialization they did the usual teen things with their church, dance group, scouting, and homeschooling friends. The oldest was an accomplished athlete and have many good friends with his team.

36 posted on 03/13/2016 5:07:22 PM PDT by wintertime (Stop treating government teachers like they are reincarnated Mother Teresas!)
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To: wintertime
I bet you are smart and hardworking, too.

LOL, you would lose that bet. I'm of average intelligence, though I have learned more since I got out of school then I ever learned in school, that's for sure.

After high school I really wanted nothing more of school. I went to a college in Texas but dropped out before the 1st semester even ended. I traveled around the country trying to decide what I did want to do, and finally decided I wanted to get into computers where I didn't really have to interact with people. Got training at a technical school where I graduated first in the class. So that's what I have been doing for close to 40 years now. No desire to retire, just keep slaving away until the day I die, if I can.

I do have it nice right now, work from home in the country. So my driving by anything is seldom. Pretty much a homebody.

37 posted on 03/13/2016 5:19:45 PM PDT by Robert DeLong (u)
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To: Robert DeLong
But by fourth or fifth grade, once basic phonics are mastered, sight reading has to be the main focus of literacy instruction. At that stage, insisting kids read phonetically would be akin to insisting they handle multiplication problems as repeated addition. No one reading this post or any of yours was reading phoneme by phoneme (except maybe some Trump supporters 😀 ). Sight reading has to be incorporated into elementary instruction and shouldn't be tossed out with the bath water.
38 posted on 03/13/2016 5:36:50 PM PDT by Jack Straw from Wichita
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To: Robert DeLong

I graduated first in the class.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

See. I knew you were smart. You were smart to forego college, too.


39 posted on 03/13/2016 7:17:20 PM PDT by wintertime (Stop treating government teachers like they are reincarnated Mother Teresas!)
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To: wintertime

Well thank you for the kind words. The path I finally chose has been good to me, even without a college degree. I have a comfortable house on 5 acres with a pool, and my wife and I both drive corvettes. Of course she has the better one, LOL.


40 posted on 03/14/2016 6:28:58 AM PDT by Robert DeLong (u)
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