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To: Talisker
How is it a histrionic assertion to point out that Apple is being ordered to create something that doesn't yet exist?

Well it isn't, but that is not what he is alleging. He is alleging that the sky will fall and the Fascists will Jackboot us all the way to the concentration camps if Apple complies with a court order.

You have substituted your premise for the original one. That's slightly dishonest, and you should not do that.

Addressing your premise, which is that it doesn't exist, by which you are implying that it is some great difficulty in creating this thing which doesn't exist, but which is in fact what Apple does routinely.

Do you even grasp the problem here? THERE IS NO KEY.

Do *YOU* grasp the problem here? A Lock Smith can MAKE a key. You know, like one that DOESN'T CURRENTLY EXIST! Then it would exist! Then there would be a Key!

You think software grows on trees? People MAKE it.

Yeah. And it would take the Apple team about 15 minutes to do what they FBI has asked, and what a Judge has now ORDERED them to do.

It also wouldn't be worth a billion dollars.

161 posted on 02/18/2016 12:03:50 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
You have substituted your premise for the original one. That's slightly dishonest, and you should not do that.

Addressing your premise, which is that it doesn't exist, by which you are implying that it is some great difficulty in creating this thing which doesn't exist, but which is in fact what Apple does routinely.

Do *YOU* grasp the problem here? A Lock Smith can MAKE a key. You know, like one that DOESN'T CURRENTLY EXIST! Then it would exist! Then there would be a Key!

...it would take the Apple team about 15 minutes to do what they FBI has asked, and what a Judge has now ORDERED them to do.

It also wouldn't be worth a billion dollars.

"Locks" and "keys" are METAPHORS for mathematical encryption equations. If all they had to do was find a "locksmith," the government could do it on their own. Apple is NOT being asked to make a "key" - THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT KEY. They are being asked to make a "replacement lock." And then SUBSTITUTE that lock for the "locked lock" so that the original, mathematically hidden key, can unlock it. That is a HUGE undertaking! "15 minutes" only displays your MASSIVE ignorance of this issue. And as for the value, yeah, creating a gigantic replacement OS that could be swapped for any locked iPhone in the world to crack it WOULD be worth a billion dollars, if not MUCH more. Not to mention the legal precedent would be horrendous.

Watch who you call dishonest. It's dishonest to wade into a discussion without knowing what the hell you're talking about, too - especially when you're arguing for the permanent enlargement of totalitarian governmental power and the obliteration of personal security.

162 posted on 02/18/2016 12:26:36 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Well it isn't, but that is not what he is alleging. He is alleging that the sky will fall and the Fascists will Jackboot us all the way to the concentration camps if Apple complies with a court order.

And you accuse OTHERS of being histrionic? You are the one who believes in MAGIC solutions to this issue and that Apple is the evil corporation blocking everything for their nefarious purposes, up to no good.

175 posted on 02/18/2016 2:01:07 PM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue....)
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