Shakeup at Guns & Ammo after gun control column backfires

FoxNews.com ^ | 11-8-2013 | Joshua Rhett Miller

[TigersEye]

That's not entirely true.

[DBrow]

I remember a (former) NRA boardmember who thought that firearm capacity limited to three rounds would be OK.

[PLMerite]

“...akin to shouting fore in a crowded theater.”

I don’t know which would be worse - a fire, or some nut swinging a golf club.

[LyinLibs]

No magazine would ever bow to pressure from Obamatollah to disarm Americans while arming al-Qaeda terrorists in Syria.

Or to glorify/normalize moslems slaughtering humans.

[SWAMPSNIPER]

No one is advocating removal of vocal cords yet!! The crap about yelling fire isn’t a valid analogy!

[sargon]

Metcalf tried to conflate the phrase "well regulated" in the Second Amendment with the concept of federal or state regulation as understood in the modern day. Anybody who knows the history of the Bill of Rights knows such a conflation is utterly farcical.

Such a stunt is patently disingenuous, and fallacious in addition to that.

Metcalf's reasoning throughout the article is rather flimsy, to say the least, and it's not surprising that G & A readers were outraged at the clumsy propaganda which was exhibited.

[onedoug]

How do you know? I rather read as since a well regulated militia is necessary for a free state that is why the state must accede to Divine Will. For if these rights did not originate of God, of what value are they ultimately?

[TigersEye]

I have no idea what you are saying or what it might have to do with what I pointed out.

[lavaroise]

No no no, we have to read it backwards... the right to have a militia shall not be infringed, it is. Let the dogs of government

[lavaroise]

Tsarnaev Trayvon.

[fortheDeclaration]

These guys talk like there aren’t thousands of gun laws on the books already!

[fortheDeclaration]

Exactly! It had to do with discipline, not regulating firearms!

[pepsionice]

The “you’d have to be standing there” situation falls into this mess.

In the 1760-era...with the British troops part of the American scene, there wasn’t a clear rule on personal firearms in the home. So a commander could arrive with a hundred of his troops....see way too many locals with hunting guns....deem it a problem....and open a armory where you’d have to check the gun out for the day, then return it. That was the only way that the British commander felt the situation was safe for himself, the troops, and the locals.

For a military commander, this way of thinking has various reasons to enforce gun control. You didn’t have idiots running off to start some Indian conflict over a rumor which was false. And with the amount of alcohol that flowed in those days...most guys were generally a bit drunk on occasion.

The militia angle made perfect sense after the Revolutionary War and locals felt they were now in control of their guns, and could continue to run the armory business if they desired, or discontinue it if they desired.

[fortheDeclaration]

One thing is sure, guns are a ‘hot button issue’!

[skinkinthegrass]

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[donmeaker]

I would like gun control laws like the ones I understand were once in effect in Switzerland, requiring members of the militia to keep their fully automatic weapon at home, with a sufficient supply of ammunition ready to hand.

Oh, and add females between the age of 17 and 45 to the militia.

[Yosemitest]

"When the ultimate goal IS
to make the private ownership of any firearm or ammunition A FELONY.
And make no mistake, that IS the ultimate goal."

I agree. That IS ... THEIR ... ultimated goal.

“ The question IS,
when does REGULATION become INFRINGEMENT ? ”

GOOD QUESTION!
Let's examine the word "INFRINGEMENT" .

infringement (n.)
1590s, from infringe + -ment

My 1988 copy of THE BARNHART DICTIONARY OF ETYMOLOGY has a bedtter description than the "ONLINE ETYMOLOGY DICTIONARY".

infringe v. About 1467 enfrangen violate a law,
formed in English from en-, variant of in- + Latin frangere.
The later form infringe (1553) was influenced by, or perhaps borrowed from Latin infringere to damage, break (in- in + frangere to BREAK (see fraction).
The meaning of encroach upon, is first recorded in English in 1760-72.

--infringement n. 1593, contradiction or refutation;
later, violation (1628), and encroachment or intrusion (1673), formed from English infringe + -ment.

-ment suffix forming nouns, originally from French and representing Latin -mentum,
which was added to verb stems sometimes to represent the result or product of the action.
French inserts an -e- between the verbal root and the suffix
(e.g. commenc-e-ment from commenc-er);
with verbs in ir, -i- is inserted instead
(e.g. sent-i-ment from sentir).
Used with English verb stems from 16c.
(e.g. merriment, which also illustrates the habit of turning -y to -i- before this suffix).

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I submit that

ANY LAW OTHER THAN THE 2nd AMENDMENT TO THE U.S. CONSTITUTION,
IS AN ENCROACHMENT UPON OUR INDIVIDUAL RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS.

ANY LAW, OTHER THAN THE 2nd AMENDMENT TO THE U.S. CONSTITUTION,
IS INTENDED TO DAMAGE, BY CHIPPING AWAY AND EVENTUALLY BREAKING, OUR RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS.

[Yosemitest]

I wished someone would give an extended excerpt on "INFRINGED" from Original Intent: The Courts the Constitution & Religion by David Barton.
It's decription is:

An essential resource for anyone interested in our nation's religious heritage and the Founders' intended role for the American judicial system.
Original Intent combines hundreds of quotes from primary sources with the author's exposition on hot topics
such as revisionism, judicial activism, and separation of church and state.
A substantial appendix encompasses full texts of the founding documents, biographical sketches of numerous Founders, and extensive reference notes.

[Yorlik803]

Soon there will be that many laws on the 1st Amendment.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

The point is that he used a Wilson era free speech case, as justification for regulating guns. Would he accept the same “reasonable” restrictions on being a journalist? A training requirement? Some type of licensing? A cooling off period from the time he writes a story until it is published? We all know the answer.

I believe he'd accept it. He appears to have a religious faith in government.