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Confessions of an Ex-Liberal Gun Owner– Part V & Part VI
July, 7, 2013 | QManRN

Posted on 07/07/2013 11:47:57 AM PDT by Q-ManRN

Confessions of an Ex-Liberal Gun Owner – Part V – Lessons Learned

Thus far, I have explained my journey from being raised an anti-gun liberal to becoming a gun owner. This change took time as I learned some important lessons following a violent incident near my home. Here are some of those lessons:

1. I am responsible to protect myself and for the security of my family and my property.

2. The police are not legally responsible for protecting an individual or their personal property.

3. The police have a legal duty to keep the peace in a general sense, not in an individual sense.

4. Police enforce laws after they have been broken and they normally deal with the aftermath of crime.

5. Police are not legally bound to prevent crime and violence from occurring. If they were expected to prevent crime, then they would be legally liable when crimes have been committed.

6. Police are every bit as human as you and me. They are not superheroes with superhuman abilities to protect us or to stop crime.

7. Violent criminals solve their disputes with a gun and their gun is an essential tool of their trade. They are not simply going to give up their gun because we pass laws or hire more police.

8. Violent crime is not going to stop just because we have laws and police, no matter how many laws and how many police we have.

9. You can choose to rely solely on the police to protect you. If the police are unable to protect you, then you have to live or possibly die with the consequences.

10. Private citizens successfully use guns every day to stop criminals often without firing a single bullet. Please visit the website “Guns Save Lives” at www. http://gunssavelives.net/ every day for a few weeks to see what I am talking about.

Having learned these valuable lessons, I looked at my former liberal beliefs in a different light. More on that in my next installment.

Confessions of an Ex-Liberal Gun Owner – Part VI – Understanding Liberals’ View of Guns

First, we have to understand how liberals see crime, violence, and police protection. To sum their view up simply- they see these things idealistically.

Owner of gun (except police & soldiers) = Criminal

Criminal = Misguided individual

Police officer = Righteous personal defender

Laws + police = Safety therefore,

More laws + more police = More safety

Powerful government = Security

Crime = Intellectual problem.

In the liberal view, powerful laws are made by beneficent people in the government that empower righteous police to defend every individual; thereby, all necessary personal security is provided by the government and their police force solving the problem of crime.

When crime does occur, new and better laws and government-sponsored social programs with more police will once again stop crime; then, security is restored by the government and their agents. Thus, the individual does need not take any action to personally protect themselves because the government with their police force will do that for the individual.

So, we must rely completely upon lawmakers and police to keep us safe and secure from criminals and tyranny while providing for our basic needs. Failure to rely upon the government and their police force completely is criminal vigilantism because that is taking the law into your own hands.

Therefore, a private gun owner is a misguided criminal taking the law into their own hands when they defend themselves because they are already sufficiently protected by the government and the police.

Furthermore, the gun owner is already guilty of placing their family and especially their children at unnecessary risk by having a gun. A gun is dangerous! Therefore, only righteous lawmakers and police using their collective wisdom can safely control this dangerous weapon using the force of law.

The government will solve the intellectual problem of crime through better laws and government-sponsored programs. These laws and social programs help criminals especially gun owners understand the error of their ways in failing to rely solely upon the government and their police force.

Thus, the government and their agents are primarily responsible for protecting the individual and solving the problem of criminal violence.

In my next post, I will discuss the fallacy of these beliefs.


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I will be posting during the upcoming work week, but obviously at a slower pace; so, I included two posts now. Thank you for your time, assistance, and comments.
1 posted on 07/07/2013 11:47:57 AM PDT by Q-ManRN
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To: Q-ManRN

YAWN!

You are boring...

Good luck hoping I’ll buy your book - or find you interesting...


2 posted on 07/07/2013 11:50:14 AM PDT by BBB333 (Q: Which is grammatically correct? Joe Biden IS or Joe Biden ARE an idiot?)
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To: Q-ManRN

I’m loving these posts. The thought process of a leftist as they slowly ‘come around’ is awesome.

It’s like someone turning up a dimmer switch. (I had my own ‘dawning’ over illegal immigration when I first moved to Southern Arizona.)


3 posted on 07/07/2013 12:02:10 PM PDT by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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To: BBB333

So you’ve been there for three months... you take the time to click, read, then post on an article... and you have nothing substantial to say.

Good start newbie.


4 posted on 07/07/2013 12:03:38 PM PDT by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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To: gonzo; MinuteGal; M Kehoe; mcmuffin; Matchett-PI; Seeking the truth; JulieRNR21; surfer; ...

Please see Parts V & VI in my series. I will be slower posting during the work week; however, I will finish this series in the next few days so that everyone can stay with me. Thank you.


5 posted on 07/07/2013 12:04:57 PM PDT by Q-ManRN (Progressivism is regressive!)
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3. The police have a legal duty to keep the peace in a general sense, not in an individual sense.

No, police are not Peace Officers, and have not been for a long time.

Police are legally required to enforce the law* (see exception below), and the legal trick that has been installed is that "the law" is what the Socialist left DemoRats say it is! (see my tagline for explanation).

Exception: Police must refrain from enforcing "the law" when ordered to do so by any Socialist leftist DemoRat politician, judge or government employee, to protect said politician, judge or government employee, or any PC protected class.

6 posted on 07/07/2013 12:17:33 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Marie

Hello Marie, Thank you for the kind response. You have captured the idea behind my series of posts rather nicely and I appreciate your time and support.

We could also say it’s like turning down a “dipstick” switch over time. I definitely know what you mean about a “dawning” and I could tell right away that you knew where I was coming from.


7 posted on 07/07/2013 12:18:24 PM PDT by Q-ManRN (Progressivism is regressive!)
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To: BBB333

Yo, noob. Let us see you write something. You are coming across like you spoiled brat liberal.


8 posted on 07/07/2013 12:21:52 PM PDT by VRW Conspirator (The Lefties can drink Kool-Aid; I will drink Tea.)
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To: Navy Patriot

That is a valid point. Thank you. Would you say then that the police can legally ignore a riot or other more widespread violation of the law?

Just curious...


9 posted on 07/07/2013 12:27:08 PM PDT by Q-ManRN (Progressivism is regressive!)
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To: Q-ManRN

I’m waiting until all 10 parts are posted, then copy paste to one document, print and read. so please hurry. :-)


10 posted on 07/07/2013 12:27:39 PM PDT by mainevet (Get an M1911 or two or three or four)
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To: Marie

Thank you once more! I will try to keep up the good work.


11 posted on 07/07/2013 12:29:26 PM PDT by Q-ManRN (Progressivism is regressive!)
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To: mainevet

I understand. I have a flare for suspense. :)


12 posted on 07/07/2013 12:31:59 PM PDT by Q-ManRN (Progressivism is regressive!)
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That is a valid point. Thank you. Would you say then that the police can legally ignore a riot or other more widespread violation of the law?

Have you seen the videos of the LA "Rodney King" riots, where the police just turned and ran?

During the NYC Crown Heights riots, the cops mostly let it happen. Mayor Dinkens praised them for "showing restraint" and not bothering the rioters who voted for him. NYC learned to not elect another black mayor since then.

13 posted on 07/07/2013 12:33:57 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Q-ManRN

Really boring, frustrating to read four sentences at a time.
Count me tuned out.


14 posted on 07/07/2013 12:34:35 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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First, we have to understand how liberals see crime, violence, and police protection. To sum their view up simply- they see these things idealistically.

Police officer = Righteous personal defender

No, the liberal view is: Police officer = A liberal's personal Praetorian guard to force the liberal required behavior on those designated by said liberal, when ordered by said liberal.

More laws + more police = More safety

No, More laws + more police = More opportunity to falsely label an honest man as a criminal, and put him under the jackboot control of said liberal's Praetorian guard.

15 posted on 07/07/2013 12:37:30 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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16 posted on 07/07/2013 12:39:27 PM PDT by RedMDer (When immigrants cannot or will not assimilate, its really just an invasion. Throw them out!)
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To: VRW Conspirator

I write very well.

Benefits of a classical education.

You?????

Spoiled brat liberal?

Now, now, now. Did you ever meet Ronald Reagan? His Wife? Work on his campaign?

At 53 - my current age - I have been working for 41 years. Spoiled brat my a$$.

I merely find these posts (I read them all - with, unlike you, comprehension) and in my opinion, they lack merit.

YAWN!!!


17 posted on 07/07/2013 12:41:06 PM PDT by BBB333 (Q: Which is grammatically correct? Joe Biden IS or Joe Biden ARE an idiot?)
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To: PapaBear3625; Navy Patriot

I cannot argue with real life examples. I stand corrected!


18 posted on 07/07/2013 12:41:30 PM PDT by Q-ManRN (Progressivism is regressive!)
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To: Q-ManRN

Besides the examples already posted, how about the police doing literally nothing about all the Occupy murders, rapes, thefts and vandalism. How about the few cops that were fired or demoted for actually trying to control the Occupy rioters?


19 posted on 07/07/2013 12:43:06 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Q-ManRN
I will be posting during the upcoming work week, but obviously at a slower pace; so, I included two posts now. Thank you for your time, assistance, and comments.

Frankly, you should have been honest and posted the obvious as a vanity called, "Liberalism is a Mental Disease."

Wait...that title is already taken. Never mind.

20 posted on 07/07/2013 12:43:35 PM PDT by USS Johnston (Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be bought at the price of chains & slavery? - Patrick Henry)
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