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Dave Says: Work For the Extra Perks of College
Townhall.com ^ | May 15, 2013 | Dave Ramsey

Posted on 05/15/2013 9:36:40 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: imardmd1

“I have never been able to help anyone who is not willing to follow Scriptural commands rather than Dave:

“Owe no man nothing, no not anything at all, except to love one another.” (A rather precise rendering of Romans 13:8)”

Had you done anything other than to judge Dave based on the ONE article, then you would realize that you have simply restated nearly his entire ministry with the above comment.

If you are attempting to be a witness to me, and other FReepers, this approach is not very effective.


21 posted on 05/16/2013 6:07:26 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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Had you done anything other than to judge Dave based on the ONE article, then you would realize that you have simply restated nearly his entire ministry with the above comment.

I guess I failed to make my point clear: I do not believe, from this article, that Dave's solutions addressed the root problems.

Tanya's problem was yearning to exchange masters -- because one cannot serve two.
Andy's problem was failing to teach himself or his sons to make one's own life decisions, because of lack of guidance from guidance by the Holy Spirit.
Dave's problem is holding himself forth as a life counselor (usurping the role of the local church) rather than as a qualified public accountant (apparently his singular strength).

Any hints here for the problems you might be experiencing? (rhetorical, no answer needed)

When Jesus healed, his ministry addressed the whole person (spiritual, medical, material), almost always tracing back to spiritual error or ignorance. As I said, if your only tool is a hammer ... time to get the right tools for the job, eh? Romans 13:8 is not the answer to every problem.

If you are attempting to be a witness to me, and other FReepers, this approach is not very effective.

I already stated who my "ministry" can touch. For many, it will not. The Master's tough love is often rejected when one has a choice. I know -- have gone to the woodshed with my Heavenly Father many times. My proper focus is a life witness to Him. You?

With best regards --

22 posted on 05/16/2013 9:17:22 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Come and hear, all ye that fear God, and I will declare what He has done for my soul. Ps 66:16)
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To: Kaslin
Oh, yes -- I got that backward. Thanks for taking the time to set me correctly.

I am very grateful for your diligence in selecting articles of great interest for this forum. This sort of gratuitous labor is probably the main reason that Free Republic is my premier source of news and views across the nation. I'm sure your contribution is noticed by many.

-- Break a leg, eh? -- /smile

23 posted on 05/16/2013 9:34:05 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Come and hear, all ye that fear God, and I will declare what He has done for my soul. Ps 66:16)
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“Dave’s problem is holding himself forth as a life counselor (usurping the role of the local church) rather than as a qualified public accountant (apparently his singular strength).”

Again, you show you are completely ignorant. In addition, it has taken you several very long posts, filled with nuance and judgement, to try and make a point. Your typing would FAR exceed the space available to Dave in the local papers that carry his article.

You clearly desire to remain ignorant so that you can sit in judgement of your fellow man.


24 posted on 05/16/2013 9:44:53 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: Kaslin
Day care centers didn’t exist in the mid 60, and 70s. The first time I heard about day care centers was in the early 1980s

It might be rather interesting to establish the reason driving the blossoming of these very profitable centers warehousing kids from the cradle to allow women to follow careers outside the home. What has been the effect? I can give a few personal anecdotal experiences, but what is the statistical significance to our cultural drift and child development?

25 posted on 05/16/2013 9:53:51 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Come and hear, all ye that fear God, and I will declare what He has done for my soul. Ps 66:16)
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You clearly desire to remain ignorant so that you can sit in judgement of your fellow man.

Thanks for your expert criticism. I'll take it under advisement.

BTW, that's "judgment."

26 posted on 05/16/2013 10:06:41 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Come and hear, all ye that fear God, and I will declare what He has done for my soul. Ps 66:16)
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Ignorance is not a slight, it is a recognition that you don’t know anything about Dave, outside of this article, and that you have no desire to acquire any knowledge about the subject.

I am ignorant about many things and am more than happy to remain ignorant about them. However, I don’t attack folks that write articles about those subjects.


27 posted on 05/16/2013 12:54:04 PM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: Kaslin
Work For the Extra Perks of College

What a concept!

28 posted on 05/16/2013 12:55:07 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: CSM
Ignorance is not a slight, it is a recognition that you don’t know anything about Dave, outside of this article, and that you have no desire to acquire any knowledge about the subject.

To the contrary, I am not ignorant of how he has approached the two problems in this article examined, and find that already he has a mixture of truth and error, such that I would read any advice he gives very cautiously, for he does not trust nor interpret the Holy Scriptures completely, and does not apply them consistently.

I am not attacking you, just debating, but you certainly have been attacking my writing despite what you maintain here, and in defense of a flawed discipline.

Sometimes I feel it is just as important to warn souls as much as to win them. Read your Bible. Lots of opportunities here on FR, as long as it is helpful and not just a general oppositionally defiant nuisance. IIRC

29 posted on 05/16/2013 3:17:32 PM PDT by imardmd1
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