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Posted on 04/14/2013 10:21:02 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin
I had the opportunity this afternoon to connect with Peter Schiff, CEO and Chief Global Strategist of Euro Pacific Capital. It was a fascinating conversation, which took place while gold was absolutely collapsing.
During the interview, Peter explained that today’s sell-off, triggered by a Goldman Sachs sell recommendation was based on the “false idea” of European Central Bank gold sales hitting the market. Instead he explained, gold is preparing its move “from weak hands to strong hands”, before heading to new all-time highs.
When asked his thoughts on the complete panic in the market this afternoon, Peter commented that, ”Gold had [previously] sold-off on false anticipation of [economic] recovery bringing an early end to QE. But when Goldman Sachs came out with the sell recommendation…sentiment was already negative…so I think there’s a lot of stops being hit [right now]…[However], the lower prices will create an opportunity for buyers…wanting to accumulate large positions without moving the market. The only way to do that, is to have a lot of selling...Goldman Sachs certainly could have done a lot of favors for people interested in accumulating gold, because now you’ve got the selling that makes [it] possible.”
With respect to Cyprus’ selling of its gold reserves, Peter said that,“The European community is trying to force Cyprus to sell-off its gold…and now you have the anticipation that other highly-indebted European nations like Greece, Spain, Portugal, and Italy, that [all] have lots of gold, [will have to do the same]. Portugal has I think 90% of it’s reserves in gold—that’s about the highest in the world…[So] these countries [being] forced to sell their gold has really [spooked] the market, and people are selling in anticipation of this avalanche of selling by European central banks…[but] that’s a false idea…The reality is none of that gold is going to be sold into the ‘market’…[because]the ‘buyers’ will be other central banks.”
According to Peter those ‘other’ central banks, will be the “strong-hand” central banks of emerging economies. The indebted Western countries he indicated, “[Are] going to be forced to liquidate…[and] what’s going to happen, is that broke countries are going to be selling off their gold to ‘rich’ [BRIC] countries.”
He further noted that, “Moving gold from weak hands to strong hands is very positive for the gold market…[and] when people realize where the gold ends up, [they're] going to scramble to buy back what they’ve sold.”
As a concluding remark on the gold price, Peter indicated that, “We have to get through this sell-off and [then] I think we’re headed [to] new highs. I’m surprised at the degree to which we’ve already sold-off, but I don’t think that changes the fundamentals…the bigger the sell-off is, the bigger the [subsequent] rally is going to be.”
PING for Monday.
I’m not panicking, but gold could go as low as $1,340.00 while this all shakes out. Stand fast and don’t look at gold prices every two minutes, LOL! :)
By some measures, it’s already as bad as 2008 was, just not as quickly. Silver has been cut in half again, every moving average has been busted again, HUI-to-gold ratio is even worse, etc.
The old saying, “markets can be irrational longer than you can remain solvent” is even more true when they aren’t even markets any more but just a sequence of obvious and even admitted central bank interventions and manipulations.
“The old saying, “markets can be irrational longer than you can remain solvent” is even more true when they aren’t even markets any more but just a sequence of obvious and even admitted central bank interventions and manipulations.”
There are no free markets anymore. Currencies are manipulated, stock markets are manipulated, commodities are manipulated and real estate is manipulated. Either governments, multinational organizations, or megabucks/securities firms are moving markets to the benefit of insiders. The average citizen will be fleeced no matter what. Unfortunately investing is a fools game and holding cash is a fools game.
Haynes - Gold & Silver Buyers (physical metals) Outpacing Sellers 50 to 1
http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/KWN_DailyWeb/Entries/2013/4/13_Haynes_-_Were_On_The_Verge_Of_Major_Gold_%26_Silver_Shortages.html
It’s a buyer’s market right now!
Who has the lowest silver pricing out there? And is it better to buy rounds or (”junk”) old 90% coins?
As a very long time silver owner, I don’t really consider silver to have been “cut in half”, because the almost $50 mark set a few years back was so transitory it in essence “never happened”. Of course, it DID happen and in no way am I implying you or anyone else is delusional. I saw it, you saw it, the world saw it. But it was so transitory, it was uncatchable...except for buyers/chasers. I was super lucky to have sold some when the price was well over $40, but because the form factor of the silver I sold then was sterling flatware I had gathered over many years, by the time the refiner got it and settled me out, I “only” got about $39.50. This happened in the 1980 spike as well. The refiners knew that the price would not last and with lines of folks around the block trying to sell candlesticks, etc; they got overloaded. Very, very, very few folks rec’d over $35 at that point. Just trying to supply some context. I am not a “never sell an ounce” guy. I’ve sold silver at $8, $18, $28, and $39.5. I’ve also bought it back, but again, not much over $30. My own delusion is that I don’t believe silver ever got over $35 this last time. As such, I would encourage the dismayed among us to measure the whack from $35. Still big, let there be no doubt.
I’ve been a tad concerned over the price of Ag for a while. The chart even before Friday looked just horrible.
I remind people of two things: Silver did not leave $10 decisively behind until 2009 and it spent about 1/3rd of 2008 well under $10.
I am expressing no opinion as to the future price or direction. I have bought silver at every price between $5 and $35 but I really really slowed down above $28 and I suspect what I own, I own at about $15-17. That does not help recent buyers much, and don’t get me wrong, I’d be plenty pissed to see prices much lower than here. But I absolutely know the proper reaction is NOT to sell out. Nobody ever made money panicking. Silver is a fiendishly volatile item and always has been. We live in a world of floating currencies and the USD is at present the worst bad one. If you want to buy and sell silver as a trading matter, it’s crazy to do so with the physical because the spreads will kill you. That’s what SLV is for. This implies that he/she who wants the physical in their possession is not a flipper. If the reasons you/they/I bot silver in the first place are still in place, then that’s what should be kept in mind.
Peter Schiff is saying that the treasure of the West will be sent to the East to pay off the banker scum. That Portugal’s central bank or Gov’t will sell its gold to China/Chinese central bank. The gold will not really be sold on the free market, anyhow certain central banks (China Russia etc) are the largest gold buyers these days. Along with India whose population buys gold.
Gold leaves the weak hands of degenerate borrowers who are not producing (Spain, Portugal) and is sold to those who produce be it China, Russia, Brazil etc
Goldbug ping.
Check out APMEX on ebay http://www.ebay.com/gold-and-silver
buy rounds or (”junk”) old 90% coins>>>>> both
I agree with everything else in your post -- worst decision is to sell here, toss-up as to whether next worst is to wait for a month for lower prices or just buy something and close your eyes for a year.
According to the World Gold Council, gold buying by global central banks in 2012 was at the highest level that we have seen since 1964…
Worldwide gold demand in 2012 was another record high of $236.4 billion in the World Gold Council’s latest report. This was up 6% in value terms in the fourth quarter to $66.2 billion, the highest fourth quarter on record. Global gold demand in the fourth quarter of 2012 was up 4% to 1,195.9 tonnes.
Central bank buying for 2012 rose by 17% over 2011 to some 534.6 tonnes. As far as central bank gold buying, this was the highest level since 1964. Central bank purchases stood at 145 tonnes in the fourth quarter. That is up 9% from the fourth quarter of 2011, and the eighth consecutive quarter in which central banks were net purchasers of gold.
This all comes on the heels of decades when global central banks were net sellers of gold. Marcus Grubb, a Managing Director at the World Gold Council, says that we are witnessing a fundamental change in behavior by global central banks…
Central banks’ move from net sellers of gold, to net buyers that we have seen in recent years, has continued apace. The official sector purchases across the world are now at their highest level for almost half a century.
You'll note the very nice refiner I dealt with managed not only to lose 4% of my load in the "pot", he assayed my 92.5% sterling at 90% as well. 4% is huge, should be ~~1%.
I strongly reco against buying silver on ebay. There is simply too much fraud going on. I bought loads of sterling on ebay but that was long ago and far away.
“The physical market is on fire and it will become an inferno if the central planners continue to artificially push prices lower.”
When this taught rubber-band economy snaps, it’s gonna be a doozie!
Junk silver, coins 1964 and prior, 90% is my choice.
Yep.
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