Posted on 01/25/2012 11:48:17 AM PST by Morgana
Well, let's put it this way: I'm 100% pro-Life. Any abortion whatsoever is premeditated murder . . . call it infanticide if you wish . . . but it's premeditated murder. Period. Do you disagree?
Do you agree that at least two people should be tried for 1st degree murder after any and all abortions? the "mother" and the abortionist? No?
Yo big guy, I knew you’d come up with a pleasant, yet snappy and original response. Keep up the good work lil j, lookin’ forward.
You really have no idea why I said what I did.
You mis-presume this to be true in the majority of cases where an abortion happens. That is not reality, it is a presumption about the nature of men, and an incorrect one.
I know of one young teenager who was pressured by her older boyfriend into doing just that.
Anecdotal personal experiences should not be extrapolated into general presumptions about half of the human race.
Of course she bears some responsibility
Your use of the word "some", applied to the woman only, is telling. It is a way of conveying your opinion that an adult woman who walks into an abortion clinic and signs a legal contract to have a baby aborted isn't really responsible for her own actions.
But she is. The woman in each case is the only person legally authorized to make the abortion happen, and is thus fully responsible for it.
if the guy would have wanted to get married, she would have kept the baby
Not true in most cases. A lot of women don't want to be "burdened" by a baby, which is the clear perspective of those who abort.
Ask virtually any college woman if she wants to have a baby the following year. She will say that she definitely doesn't want to have a baby for many years to come.
You can talk about what happens in theory, but the reality is
You accidentally reversed that. I am talking about the reality of fatherhood, you are talking about the feminist theory that if a woman aborts, she is not morally culpable for her own actions but instead some Big Bad Man is to be presumptively blamed...
...for the woman's actions.
most girls are pressured by their boyfriends into an abortion that they don't want
The word "most" makes that claim very blatantly false. Most men do not want their child to die. A woman killing a couple's child by abortion does not accurately beget the presumption "oh the father of the baby most have wanted someone else to kill his child!".
The depth of cruelty of that presumption is staggering.
There are good men who want to claim their child and the mother wants to have the baby. For them, abortion is not an option. Taking away abortion wouldn't affect them.
It affects every man. I am a man; I have never been in an abortion situation, but it disgusts me beyond measure that every man in the United States is subject to their child being legally murdered by the mother of that child.
There are also good men who want their baby, but the mother wants to abort. Taking away abortion would actually help these men keep their baby.
True. Where are the pro-life groups putting a paternal veto at the top of their legislation lists?
There are also bad men who do not want to take responsibility and want to kill their child.
Note the massive difference in word choice. You refer to a mother who "wants to abort" vs. a father who "wants to kill their child".
The reality is, in most cases the mother of the baby wants to kill the baby via abortion so that she will not have to change her lifestyle and take care of a baby.
Besides, if one of the minority of bad men does walk away, that still doesn't cause an abortion to happen at all. The mother of the baby is still the only one who can legally authorize the abortion, and thus bears full moral culpability if she does so.
No, I don't. Howz' about explaining here or in the email provision of FreeRepublic. Maybe we're just misunderstanding each other.
The words you use to define women.
Sorry, but I'm still not sure what you're objecting to. Seriously, fill me in. I'm no being critical, just curious.
‘wonderful mother who couldn’t keep her damn legs together’...’rutting woman’...’the more babies the rutter has’.
A bit of misplaced indignation . . . any woman at any age who indiscriminately allows someone to have intercourse with her other than her husband, to me, is acting like a rutting animal.
I teach at a small private school where almost 1/2 of the students are single mothers under 25. It's an American tragedy that these women decide to mate, clearly knowing that they might conceive, and do it with someone that they have no desire to marry, have their babies (if the babies are lucky to be born alive) or abort them at the drop of a hat.
I know that "rutting" perhaps is a tough word, but I can't find any other synonym for people with this behavior. Consequently, we've had 54,000,000 slaughtered babies in this country alone. A massive human tragedy.
Well now you know why I said what I did.
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