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Time travel: Light speed results cast fresh doubts (Sorry Doc, Time Travel Not Likely)
BBC ^ | 07/27/2011

Posted on 07/27/2011 2:26:16 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Physicists have confirmed the ultimate speed limit for the packets of light called photons - making time travel even less likely than thought.

The speed of light in vacuum is the Universe's ultimate speed limit, but experiments in recent years suggested that single photons might beat it.

If they could, theory allows for the prospect of time travel.

Now, a paper in Physical Review Letters shows that individual photons too are limited to the vacuum speed limit.

That means that photons maintain the principle of causality laid out in Einstein's theory of special relativity - that is, an event's effect cannot precede its cause by travelling faster than light. It is violation of this causality that would, in principle, permit time travel.

While the limit in vacuum is a fixed number - some 300,000km per second - the speed of light can vary widely in different materials.

These differences explain everything from why a straw looks bent in a glass of water to experiments in cold gases of atoms in which light's speed is actively manipulated.

Some of those experiments showed "superluminal" behaviour, in which photons travelled faster than the speed of light in a given medium.

It remained, however, to determine whether or not individual photons could exceed the vacuum limit.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Astronomy; Science
KEYWORDS: lightspeed; timetravel
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1 posted on 07/27/2011 2:26:19 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Time does not exist. There is only the present.


2 posted on 07/27/2011 2:29:39 PM PDT by evets (beer)
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To: SeekAndFind
(Sorry Doc, Time Travel Not Likely)

I HAVE TRAVELED HERE FROM THE FUTURE TO DISPUTE THIS.

3 posted on 07/27/2011 2:30:02 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: SeekAndFind

Perhaps only in this Universe..


4 posted on 07/27/2011 2:30:32 PM PDT by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2011)
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To: SeekAndFind

Considering that they can’t seem to get global warming straight, I’ll reserve judgement on anything more complicated.


5 posted on 07/27/2011 2:30:36 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: SeekAndFind

But do Gravitons travel faster than the speed of light out of a black hole?


6 posted on 07/27/2011 2:34:43 PM PDT by bunkerhill7
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To: SeekAndFind
Like the wind that moves ahead of a speeding train, optical precursors are the waves that precede photons in a material

Hidden variables? Pilot waves? Correlated properties changing instantaneously at vast distances are out now? I'm too dumb to understand these things, but for some reasons I'm always still interested.
7 posted on 07/27/2011 2:35:12 PM PDT by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Say it ain’t so, McFly!”


8 posted on 07/27/2011 2:36:19 PM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: bunkerhill7
But do Gravitons travel faster than the speed of light out of a black hole?

Tachyons? Have we found any of those yet? Does this new research rule them out? Are we close to living like The Jetson's yet?
9 posted on 07/27/2011 2:39:02 PM PDT by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: martin_fierro

I have traveled here from the past to dispute this.

I know its possible simply for the Bible. Its in there. They just don’t say it in those words.


10 posted on 07/27/2011 2:41:31 PM PDT by himno hero
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To: SeekAndFind

Looks like I’m gonna have to unpack. What will I do with my futuristic three piece suit, though?


11 posted on 07/27/2011 2:44:51 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: SeekAndFind
That means that photons maintain the principle of causality laid out in Einstein's theory of special relativity - that is, an event's effect cannot precede its cause by travelling faster than light.

Yea, yea right, but what about 2 entangled photons able to communicate their spin state instantaneously irregardless of their distance?

12 posted on 07/27/2011 2:46:09 PM PDT by The Cajun (Palin, Free Republic, Mark Levin, Rush, Hannity......Nuff said.)
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To: Dallas59

and in normal space, that’s why we need to discover how to use subspace Geordi’s giving a lecture on the history of that discovery next Tuesday in Ten Forward...


13 posted on 07/27/2011 2:46:09 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: martin_fierro
I HAVE TRAVELED HERE FROM THE FUTURE TO DISPUTE THIS.

Please go back and bring the next Powerball number. Without it, you wasted the trip.

14 posted on 07/27/2011 2:51:34 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Somewhere in Kenya a village is missing its idiot)
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To: SeekAndFind

Beam me up, Scotty.


15 posted on 07/27/2011 2:57:24 PM PDT by Rapscallion (Consider what is really at stake in the 2012 election? Hint: It's your republic.)
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To: ZX12R
I thought photons were light?
16 posted on 07/27/2011 2:59:11 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Norm Lenhart
Considering that they can’t seem to get global warming straight, I’ll reserve judgement on anything more complicated.

I would reserve judgment, too. But "Global Warming" is much, much more complicated. This is basic physics. We can attempt direct measurements and model the mathematics on the back of an envelope. The conceptual hurdles required for the human mind to grasp the physics are far more daunting than the cartoonish caricature of "Global Warming" presented by Al Gore and the mainstream media.

Global Warming Theory involves a string of concatenated hypotheses (what was it Willian of Occam had to say about these?), some of which are straightforward basic physics (e.g., carbon dioxide absorbs infrared radiation) and easily validated. Some of the hypotheses associated with GWT, are dependent on tenuous and poorly understood large scale atmosphere physics and involve critical parameters whose values are not known with enough precision to reliably even predict the sign of their effect.

A simple analogy might be eclipses and rain. Astronomers can reliably predict eclipses 10,000 years into the future. Meteorologists cannot tell you if it is going to rain two weeks from today. Basic physics is like astronomy; GWT is like meteorology.

17 posted on 07/27/2011 3:05:36 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Somewhere in Kenya a village is missing its idiot)
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To: SeekAndFind

Time is an artifact of motion. Without motion time would not exist.


18 posted on 07/27/2011 3:05:59 PM PDT by Diggity
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To: SeekAndFind
an event's effect cannot precede its cause

I'll have to remember this the next time my wife yells at me for something that I haven't done yet but that she knows I'm going to do.

19 posted on 07/27/2011 3:16:48 PM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: bunkerhill7

But do Gravitons travel faster than the speed of light out of a black hole?
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As far as I know, there is no experimental evidence for the existence of gravitons. Theory says we should see them but so far no such luck.


20 posted on 07/27/2011 3:17:53 PM PDT by InterceptPoint (w)
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