I salute your Freepin'. Very cool.
Posted on 03/28/2011 4:48:32 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
Donald Trump made headlines earlier today when he provided what he said was a copy of his birth certificate -- but a quick check reveals it's actually not an official document.
The paper that Trump released says "Jamaica Hospital" on top and lists the date and time of what he says was his birth to "Mr. and Mrs. Fred C. Trump." The piece of paper has a seal at the bottom.
But after several New York City-based readers contacted POLITICO's Maggie Haberman, her call to city officials revealed that an actual birth certificate, which is issued by the Department of Health, would have the agency's seal and also a signature of the city registrar - neither of which the Trump document has. Officials said the city Health Department is the "sole issuing authority" of official birth certificates in New York, and that the document would clearly say so, and "city officials said it's not an official document."
It appears instead to be a hospital "certificate of birth," meaning the piece of paper the hospital gave to his family saying he was born. Such a document typically has the signature of the hospital administrator and the attending physician.
(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...
...Anything appearing on a campaign website is considered to be just political advertising (buyer beware!)....
Thats exactly what I was looking for....we need a law to change that so we can sue/remove those who make promises they dont keep...(will never happen, politicians write the laws to stay in office)
“What exactly does it take to prove that someone is a troll? Isn’t it obvious by now?”
On Friday Jamese repeated the lie, for which he’s been corrected in the past, that Obama qualified for a high security clearance by passing an FBI background check. No matter now many times Jamese is corrected on this piece of insidious propaganda, he keeps repeating it. When he’s corrected, he doesn’t say, ‘Thanks for the info; I won’t post that misinformation any more’. He comes back with the smarta$$: ‘If you say so’—and proceeds to repost the falsehood at the first opportunity.
I guess the judgment has been made that it’s okay to use FR to spread lies, so long as they’re confined to ‘birfer’ threads. Or if not, what am I missing?
This is a lie. Several people have asked for a copy of the COLB with Obamas name on it, but no one has received one. So this Hawaii govt worker is lying. Unless of course, she is actually saying only that this is the format typically given out when one asks for ones own birth escort. In which event, it is most decidedly not a specific confirmation of the Kos image. In fact, poster jamese777 knows this because he has been corrected on it before. So, if poster jamese777 is again trying to imply this quote is somehow a confirmation of the Kos image, poster jamese777 is lying. Jamese777, please stop posting lies to FreeRepublic.com
One more time, from the interview with Janice Okubo, Director of Communications for the Hawaii Department of Health published in the June 6, 2009 edition of the Honolulu Star-Advertiser: “Those who doubted Barack Obama’s American citizenship called THE COPY OF THE HAWAII BIRTH DOCUMENT POSTED ON HIS CAMPAIGN WEB SITE a fake.
Asked about that document, Okubo said, ‘This is the same certified copy everyone receives when they request a birth certificate.’”
http://archives.starbulletin.com/content/20090606_kokua_line
My point, again, was that THE STATE OF HAWAII HAS CONTINUALLY BACKED UP OBAMA’s COLB and I think I’ve proved my point that the state’s officials, including the former Governor, Linda Lingle have done that.
In the “Born Identity” article an official of the Hawaii state government is specifically countering the claim that Obama’s “fightthesmears.com” scanned image is a “fake.”
Now I ask Plummz, has ANY government official from the state of Hawaii ever stated that Barack Obama’s COLB is a forgery or an invalid document? If so, who said that and please provide a link to their statement.
During the Lingle Administration, the state of Hawaii published a “Frequently Asked Questions”(FAQ) page specifically devoted to questions about Obama’s birth certificate. If that isn’t “backing up,” I don’t know what is.
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama.html
A certified copy of a Hawaii COLB issued by the state Department of Health contains all the information that any birth record needs to provide to document Article II, Section 1 eligibility. There is no additional information on a longer form birth certificate that is constitutionally required.
This is the same image as the one on the Kos site, and all the points I made hold To imply otherwise is a lie. Please stop posting lies to FreeRepublic.com
Asked about that document, Okubo said, ‘This is the same certified copy everyone receives when they request a birth certificate.’” http://archives.starbulletin.com/content/20090606_kokua_line
This is a lie. Several people have asked for a copy of the COLB with Obamas name on it, but no one has received one. "No one" is not "everyone." So this Hawaii govt worker is lying.
Unless of course, she is actually saying only that this is the format typically given out when one asks for ones own birth certificate. In which event, it is most decidedly not a specific confirmation of the Kos/smears image.
In fact, poster jamese777 knows this because he has been corrected on it before.
So, if poster jamese777 is again trying to imply this quote is somehow a confirmation of the Kos/FighttheSmears image, poster jamese777 is lying.
Jamese777, please stop posting lies to FreeRepublic.com
My point, again, was that THE STATE OF HAWAII HAS CONTINUALLY BACKED UP OBAMA’s COLB
You said Hawaii "stood by" and "verified" the image. That is a lie. It might be accurate to say "Hawaii officials have used weasel words in order to imply that the webimage is genuine, but they have never directly verified it." That would be true and accurate; but you are determined to post lies rather than truth.
Please stop posting lies to FreeRepublic.com
has ANY government official from the state of Hawaii ever stated that Barack Obama’s COLB is a forgery or an invalid document?
Yes. As you know, Hawaii officials confirmed to FR poster butterdezillion that Barry's birth record has been amended. Since the Kos/fightthesemars image does not indicate that the COLB abstract is based on an amended record as a genuine COLB would, it is therefore a false document. Since you know this and pretend not to, you are lying.
Please stop posting lies to FreeRepublic.com.
A certified copy of a Hawaii COLB issued by the state Department of Health
. . . has never been issued to the public. You know this, and should not imply otherwise, as that is a lie.
Please stop posting lies to FreeRepublic.com.
contains all the information that any birth record needs to provide to document Article II, Section 1 eligibility. There is no additional information on a longer form birth certificate that is constitutionally required.
Incorrect. It does not contain the citizenship status of the parents. Also incorrect, because (given Hawaii's longstanding pattern of fraudulent issuance of birth documents (cf Sun Yat Sen)) it does not contain witness information which could be independently verified.
Hope this helps.
Take Two: Donald Trump Releases Official Birth Certificate
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2696460/posts
Boom! Donald Trump releases long form birth certificate.
Absolutely. I've always had my hospital certificate and my gov't cert. Back in the day, I used them interchangeably for most purposes.
Obummer has successfully hidden all identity documents. As Donald says, this is very strange.
And, The Donald has only just scratched the surface. Obama's entire paper trail is Top Secret, and the general public is hardly aware of it.
This is the same image as the one on the Kos site, and all the points I made hold To imply otherwise is a lie. Please stop posting lies to FreeRepublic.com
Asked about that document, Okubo said, ‘This is the same certified copy everyone receives when they request a birth certificate.’” http://archives.starbulletin.com/content/20090606_kokua_line
This is a lie. Several people have asked for a copy of the COLB with Obamas name on it, but no one has received one. “No one” is not “everyone.” So this Hawaii govt worker is lying.
Unless of course, she is actually saying only that this is the format typically given out when one asks for ones own birth certificate. In which event, it is most decidedly not a specific confirmation of the Kos/smears image.
In fact, poster jamese777 knows this because he has been corrected on it before.
So, if poster jamese777 is again trying to imply this quote is somehow a confirmation of the Kos/FighttheSmears image, poster jamese777 is lying.
Jamese777, please stop posting lies to FreeRepublic.com
My point, again, was that THE STATE OF HAWAII HAS CONTINUALLY BACKED UP OBAMA’s COLB
You said Hawaii “stood by” and “verified” the image. That is a lie. It might be accurate to say “Hawaii officials have used weasel words in order to imply that the webimage is genuine, but they have never directly verified it.” That would be true and accurate; but you are determined to post lies rather than truth.
Please stop posting lies to FreeRepublic.com
has ANY government official from the state of Hawaii ever stated that Barack Obama’s COLB is a forgery or an invalid document?
Yes. As you know, Hawaii officials confirmed to FR poster butterdezillion that Barry’s birth record has been amended. Since the Kos/fightthesemars image does not indicate that the COLB abstract is based on an amended record as a genuine COLB would, it is therefore a false document. Since you know this and pretend not to, you are lying.
Please stop posting lies to FreeRepublic.com.
A certified copy of a Hawaii COLB issued by the state Department of Health
. . . has never been issued to the public. You know this, and should not imply otherwise, as that is a lie.
Please stop posting lies to FreeRepublic.com.
contains all the information that any birth record needs to provide to document Article II, Section 1 eligibility. There is no additional information on a longer form birth certificate that is constitutionally required.
Incorrect. It does not contain the citizenship status of the parents. Also incorrect, because (given Hawaii’s longstanding pattern of fraudulent issuance of birth documents (cf Sun Yat Sen)) it does not contain witness information which could be independently verified.
Hope this helps.
“Come passport time it was a no go. Health Department certificate only.”
Speaking of passports, I watched Greta’s phone interview with Trump again and it’s evident she’s anti-”Birthers”, but DT defended them nicely. She said that years ago she had to produce her BC to get a passport, so of course, BHO had to do the same in the past. DT’s getting a crash-course education in this controversy, judging by his comments about seeing it all over the internet in the last couple of weeks and realizing what a big deal it is with millions of people. Anyway, he needs to learn about BHO’s previous passport(s) used for him to travel to Pakistan and God know where else, AND his multiple (and false) Social Security numbers! I think he’d welcome all this as greater ammunition in his public fight on this issue.
Clip here:
One thing, though - if he wants to run for Prez, he needs to stop using the words “you” and “your”, as in his statement to Greta about OPEC: “your oil and your gasoline are going to be costing you so much”. He needs to start using “we”, “our” and “us” if he doesn’t want to be perceived as a rich elitist.
I remember when Pierre Dupont ran for President - he started going by “Pete” and dressing more casually, but like Kerry, it didn’t fly.
I think we could do a lot worse than Trump, and he’s scoring more and more points the longer he bravely pursues this BC issue.
“So if Trump is ineligible because of the birth place of his mother....where does that leave Mr. Son of British/Kenyan national?”
‘Course, DT’s foreign parent became a citizen before he was born, so he’s cool on that part - NOT SO with Obama.
“As long as the state of Hawaii stands by a document, a candidate should be constitutionally good to go.”
That’s only one part of the equation - the birth/citizenship of BOTH parents is the other critical one. And it’s public knowledge that, if indeed Barack Obama Sr. is BHO’s father, he WASN’T a U.S. citizen and, in fact, was responsible for BHO having dual citizenship, which makes him Constitutionally ineligible!
I salute your Freepin'. Very cool.
I'll bet that would be a very tough thing to prove legally. Who, exactly, gave them the supposed COLB? Was it sent anonymously on campaign letterhead? Did it just arrive in an email?
Obama set up plausible deniability. If this is proven to be a fraud he can always say "I didn't know about it....a well meaning low level staffer forged it and sent it to this website".
Has anyone in the administration ever confirmed or denied that they sent a COLB to Factcheck? I could be wrong, but I don't think so.
Them Politico Birthers are crazy wackcos...
Darkness is not attracted to light, there are other things that bugs and flies are attracted to.
Oh, the darkness is definitely attracted to the light. That's why FR has a zot gun.
“It’s not his eligibility that is the problem, methinks. There’s something else Trump’s after here.”
Like what? He wants BHO outta there.
“If vice president goes, it goes to Speaker of the house. If speaker of the house goes, it goes to Secretary of state.”
No, unfortunately, it goes to Pres. Pro Tem of the Senate. Before he died, it was Byrd, now it’s Inouye (from Hawaii, how ironic) :-(
Yep, I heard! Someone corrected me on that one. I could have sworn I had it right! I’ve never heard of the Pres. Pro Tem of the Senate. Now I know! :)
Appreciate the clarification though....
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