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Bad Apple: Five Classic Apple Marketing Tactics That Lock You In
PC World ^ | Nov 3, 2009 6:15 pm | Dan Tynan

Posted on 11/05/2009 10:37:52 AM PST by Swordmaker

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To: ctdonath2
I own a 1987 MB 560SEL with the 6.9 V8. It uses hi-test and gives me around 15-18 mpg traveling. It's got around 150k oin it. If I floor it, I can go from 50-90 in just a few seconds and merge with anything anywhere. It's big and people get out of the way when their RVM fills quickly.

It's my fourth Benz. I've owned all big ones. I also have a '90 TownCar for hauling Spot. (and 3- '87 300ZX's for toys).

Mac user since 1984.


61 posted on 11/05/2009 1:26:39 PM PST by WVKayaker (www.wherezobama.org / Obama's Excellent Adventure ...)
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To: BunnySlippers

Between Windows Media Player, my rather expensive wireless router and my PS3, streaming media to the PS3 was a royal pain and very hit-or-miss. DLNA and UPnP compatible my ass.

Windows Media Player to the XBox worked relatively well. However, I strayed from the Microsoft ecosystem by using MPEG4 movies, which introduced headaches.

Streaming among iTunes just works great. But the flipside to the above is that don’t expect to use WMV movies.

Things are easy when you stay within the ecosystem, and a pain when you stray.

It’s a judgment call: accept restrictions and have it easy, or reject restrictions and prepare to lose many valuable hours of your time.


62 posted on 11/05/2009 1:30:09 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: eclecticEel

>>Limewire is essentially a virus that you install of your own volition. It downloads adware and spyware to your system and makes it impossible to take off; just throwing the info out there to those who don’t know.<<

I’ve used it for years with no problem whatsoever.

Maybe it is because I also use firefox.


63 posted on 11/05/2009 1:34:52 PM PST by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: SycoDon
Why does anyone need to know why or care why?

Ummm ... because technical facts matter and should be considered BEFORE spending money ?

64 posted on 11/05/2009 1:44:00 PM PST by pyx (Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
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To: Astronaut
They pay more for for the same commodity hardware that....

In other words everyone who bought an Apple product is stupid, eh?
hahahahahaha

Apple is a company run by hardcore liberals.

And Microsoft is run by hardcore what? tuna fish?

Steve Jobs wants to control what you do with your computer.

And Bill Gates and Steve Balmer don't? -- even with their continued domination (aka monopolization) of the software market.

65 posted on 11/05/2009 2:59:42 PM PST by vox_freedom (America is being tested as never before in its history. May God help us.)
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To: Swordmaker
Nor is Apple the only vendor to use one product as leverage to push others onto consumers (let's declare Microsoft the champion there).
That's the buried lead, right there. :') Other than that, this screed is a quintessental Apple-bashing article.

I had to install an unused printer (it had been used, just wasn't being used) when another one died in a high demand spot (at work), and a software update popped up, from Microsoft, something like "Malicious Software Detector" was the title, oh, I stupidly went ahead with that, and it installed IE8.

Then, when I launched it to search for the driver, as I'd done when the printer had to go on a different machine last year, the Google search box wouldn't operate, Aiiie, it was like it wasn't even there. Wouldn't let me click on it.

The livesearch box of course used Bing (surprise surprise) and I found the driver I needed. But it is obviously no accident that the Google search was disabled by IE8.
66 posted on 11/05/2009 3:10:23 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: altair
Better to have all the issues that Microsoft Windows XP has blessed us with (most popular botnet O/S) than with a Unix based kernel.

GREAT POINT!
67 posted on 11/05/2009 5:25:00 PM PST by hiredhand (Understand the CRA and why we're facing economic collapse - see my about page.)
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To: Terpfen
NeXT was purchased by Apple and provided the conceptual and technological foundation for Mac OS X. I'd say that's going somewhere.

NeXT was Steve Jobs' venture when he was in exile from Apple. It went nowhere commercially. If it had, things might have been a lot different.

I got introduced to it via WindowMaker (an X11, NeXTstep-based UI). Mac OS X has a GUI based on top of the O/S I've used for almost 3 decades and at home for almost 2 1/2 decades. Except that the OS X GUI is done a bit better.

68 posted on 11/05/2009 5:49:38 PM PST by altair (I want him to fail)
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To: Swordmaker

Read the article. Apparently this guy makes a lot of his reputation throwing bombs at Apple. The purpose of the article, as far as I can tell, is that it appears to be a hit job to try and pump up the Android phone.


69 posted on 11/05/2009 7:08:50 PM PST by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: Swordmaker
I use a Mac and I gave save my doc in just about any format including doc.

You want an example of "lock in" do something in Publisher.

70 posted on 11/05/2009 7:25:45 PM PST by Tribune7 (I am Joe Wilson!)
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To: altair
NeXT was Steve Jobs' venture when he was in exile from Apple. It went nowhere commercially. If it had, things might have been a lot different.

I realize this, however, it doesn't change the fact that NeXT lives on in Mac OS X. Commercial flop then, contributing factor to a modern operating system now.

Except that the OS X GUI is done a bit better.

Quite a bit better, but implementing and extending many of the same concepts.
71 posted on 11/05/2009 8:22:46 PM PST by Terpfen (FR is being Alinskied. Remember, you only take flak when you're over the target.)
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To: Terpfen
I never meant to minimize NeXT's contribution to Mac OS X. It's why I like it.

Consider it a preemptive strike on Microsoft fanboys who claim that anything without market share is automatically worthless.

I'm a Unix guy. I was drawn to WindowMaker before I knew it was based on Jobs' NeXT work. I'm delighted to have a similar (and vastly improved) interface, seamlessly integrated with X11 and running on top of my beloved Unix.

I first did computer UI work in 1987 (on top of SunOS). The holy grail has always been a UI that appeals and works with hardcore programmers (me) and novice appliance type users (Mrs. Altair). Today that seems to be pronounced "Leopard" or "Snow Leopard".

72 posted on 11/05/2009 8:58:31 PM PST by altair (I want him to fail)
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To: Blueflag

“I’d file this article under “REALLY WEAK ARGUMENTS”

point 1: the Apple stuff really works

point 2: everybody waits on Gates.

point 3: People don’t b!tch about Apple and th Apple OS; but almost everyone complains about the MS experience.

point 4: the guy who wrote this article has apparently never owned and maintained a premium brand car.”

Well said. Just for fun I charged up the battery for a MacBook 145 that I recently found and had been buried in a box the basement for what? 15 plus years - booted right up and ran ... ahhhh memories. Now the PCs in boxes in the basement are junk - won’t boot - HDs toast - motherboards crispy after multiple replacements till the warranties ran out etc. Finally hauled them off to the electronics recycler in Berkeley - but not the 145 - it still can do it’s job and it’s fun demonstrating it at garage sales. And yes - my 91 BMW 325ix still rocks and blows away all 4x4s on snow and ice.

Quality as a foundation has it’s advantages for longevity.


73 posted on 11/05/2009 9:36:34 PM PST by Bobibutu
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To: Astronaut

“Apple users are suckers. They pay more for for the same commodity hardware that Dell, HP and others charge far less for. Apple is a company run by hardcore liberals. They are secretive, controlling, and monopolistic. Steve Jobs wants to control what you do with your computer. Microsoft’s products are far better - more secure and more customizable.”

Bull - not the same commodity. Consider MTBF* ratings for components. Low MTBF = low cost. MIL-SPEC on the other hand costs more - duh! The PC mfgs use the cheapest they can get - and that is why their products are toast after a few years or sooner. Yes there are occasional premature failures with Apple branded hardware however the ratio is profoundly less than the cheap PCs.

I have built my own PCs for fun - first one was back in the early 80s. I buy Apple to get the job done rather than spending time troubleshooting hardware and software problems that plague the PC community.

Way back when in the 60s - IBM had a lot of new competition - most wayward customers came back. Why? We may not have had the fastest computers or the sexiest technology - but out computers ran and so did our software and we had the guys and gals to keep it so.

IBM has two mottos - “THINK” and for the FE Division “IBM Means Service”.

Apple tagged on with “Think Different” - it has served them well and I have had a bump or two with their service but have always, in the end, been satisfied.

Toshiba, and almost all the rest can go pound sand. Cheap is dear.

Retired IBM Field Engineer - circa 1963 - IBM ID 224795 (yep! a dinosaur)

* http://www.t-cubed.com/faq_mtbf.htm


74 posted on 11/05/2009 10:18:04 PM PST by Bobibutu
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To: WVKayaker

“It’s my fourth Benz. I’ve owned all big ones. I also have a ‘90 TownCar for hauling Spot. (and 3- ‘87 300ZX’s for toys).”

Spot obviously rules. You get to drive him to exercise locations as I did. My 124 lb. GSD “owned” and customized my 91 ix - a pristine classic until he teethed in it for the second time while left alone in it for an hour or so. Shame on me.

Love MBZs - 78 300D first and still have the 87 300td - State of CA offered me $650 for it in writing. I did not respond.


75 posted on 11/05/2009 11:09:06 PM PST by Bobibutu
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To: mmichaels1970
Ruh roh. My mom bought an iPod for my daughter. I didn't know that I couldn't change the battery in it. So we just throw iPods away when the battery goes?

No, you just... change the battery.

That's why this article's FUD.

76 posted on 11/06/2009 1:52:19 AM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: The_Victor
Of course, when Micro$oft does it, it's illegal.

And exactly what percentage of the personal computer OS market does Microsoft control?

Apple?

One is a convicted monopolist. The other is not.

77 posted on 11/06/2009 1:53:56 AM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Bob
Back in the mid-80s (not sure which year), I had an idea for a simple hardware addon board for personal computers. I was faced with a choice whether to develop it for the IBM PC or for Apple's products.

Twenty five years ago. That's Ancient history.

Apple's APIs are open and available and Apple provides free development tools for the software. You can also get help on your designs from Apple.

78 posted on 11/06/2009 1:57:11 AM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: canuck_conservative
I don’t hate Apple. I envy their boldness to rob you in broad daylight and smile at you while doing it. But even better, I’m amazed that those being robbed are happy about the matter and can’t wait to be robbed some more.

What’s not to love about that?”

Perhaps we're not being robbed. You have no experience with BOTH platforms to hold your opinion. You are a blind man in the land of the sighted, telling the sighted the DON'T see what they see... because he can't see.

79 posted on 11/06/2009 1:59:41 AM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Vermont Lt
Apple type socialism wouldnt be horrible. (I am kidding.)

Yes, it would work until someone came and underbid them for the contract... then nothing would work like it did.

80 posted on 11/06/2009 2:02:07 AM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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