Posted on 09/28/2009 9:26:36 AM PDT by Nikas777
Iron’s initial use was no benefit to the human. It was used to destroy what civilization existed. You are reading way too much into it’s later use and benefits and ignoring real history.
There were no great Stone Age civilizations equivalent to the Bronze Age ones for the Bronze users to destroy. No literacy, no great cities, no thriving economies only small localized societies on the edge of starvation.
There is also no question that there was a centuries old Dark Age which descended upon Greece after the Trojan War where most of the benefits of the prior civilization were lost to all. Iron initial result was that it allowed the arming of barbarians from the north precipitating a holocaust previously unknown to the civilized world.
The "civilizational will" that is evaporating is that residing in Europe.
I think that in the US we still have the essential factor for survival; that is a devotion to Faith and Freedom. Short of a revival of devotion to Christ in Europe, that civilization is, indeed, hurtling toward a horrendous denouement.
God's Grandeur
The world is charged with the grandeur of God.
It will flame out, like shining from shook foil;
It gathers to a greatness, like the ooze of oil
Crushed. Why do men then now not reck his rod?
Generations have trod, have trod, have trod;
And all is seared with trade; bleared, smeared with toil;
And wears man's smudge & shares man's smell: the soil
Is bare now, nor can foot feel, being shod.
And for all this, nature is never spent;
There lives the dearest freshness deep down things;
And though the last lights off the black West went
Oh, morning, at the brown brink eastward, springs --
Because the Holy Ghost over the bent
World broods with warm breast & with ah! bright wings.
~Gerard Manley Hopkins
He was a man Waaaay ahead of his time.
“...He was a man Waaaay ahead of his time.”
You may enjoy this essay:
http://www.thunderbolts.info/velikovsky-ghost.htm
That is the most ignorant statement in regards to history I have ever read.
You don't get to make a judgement call on how people felt back then. You only can note that Hesiod's view was what it was and many people accepted it.
You make the - what I feel - is the disgusting mistake of judging history form your own perspective. because of people like you the Athenian democratic experiment is damned because women did not have the right to vote and the Athenians owned slaves.
Thanks for the link.
More and more evidence is piling up that substantiates his theories.
Cataclysm!: Compelling Evidence of a Cosmic Catastrophe in 9500 B.C. by D.S. Allan and J.B. Delair (two secular British scientists) has twenty chapters with about 400 footnotes from academic journals for each chapter.
The evidence is overwhelming that, indeed, worlds were in collision about 11,000 years ago, and that what has been interpreted as the effect of ice age glacier scouring is actually the result of an overturning of the planet with the oceans washing over the land (the origin of the Flood stories ubiquitous in every culture).
This was precipitated by a supernova which knocked loose a moon from Jupiter, which hit the planet between Jupiter and Mars, and sent a meteor storm which scarred Mars and an aesteroid that came close enough to flip earth.
That is their interpretation of the myths, but the physical evidence they have of very differently configured land masses ( and the origin of the Atlantis myth) is compelling.
Uh, Nikas, we all make judgement calls on history all the time here. :’)
I don't believe that they're ignoring it. In fact, I think that they're not only counting on it, but taht they're helping it along. They mean to rule, even if only from atop a stinking heap of rubble and corpses.
In the and, it doesn't matter if they're wrong or that their 'victory' if you could call it that is a Phyrric one. As a result, most of us will die and the living will envy the dead.
Reminds me of those scenes in the Lord of the Rings where the orc army is being outfitted with crude weapons from the underground ironworks.
bfl
Does BFL = Bookmark For Later?
Yes it does. Thanks for the post.
So it reminded me of something I half remember. Iron was not a superior material at that time - not yet. Bronze was corrosion resistant and easier to make.
Bronze's problem was it was expensive - you needed rare tin and thus you could not outfit large armies.
Iron allowed almost every male of a tribe to be armed cheaply. You could not defend against that horde unless you were Egypt and they barely survived.
I think the melting point had something to do with it as well, along with lack of sufficient energy sources and ore supplies. Copper and iron (meteoritic iron; analogous to the bottle in “The Gods Must Be Crazy”) were used side by side back to the edge of the so-called Stone Age, but bronze is more complicated, that is, it was difficult to discover just how to do it.
Here’s a ‘civilizational will’ bump back to the top.
Live it and defend it or lose it.
A “suicide of reason” bump to the top...
Cheerful Monday morning civilizational collapse bump.
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