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Obama's birth debate: It's about loyalty
American Thinker ^ | July 31, 2009 | James Lewis

Posted on 07/31/2009 11:59:39 AM PDT by Marguerite

The birth debate about Obama is real enough, but it is legally complicated, as analyzed by legal beagle Andrew McCarthy at National Review. No judge is going to question the Constitutional qualifications of an elected president. I'm sorry, but that's the practical reality. The judge is going to follow stare decisis -- the sheer weight of commitments that cannot be reversed without creating chaos. Once the political system of the United States, the voters, the media, and the politicians themselves are all committed to the proposition that Obama is president, trying to reverse it would mean riots in every city in the nation. At some point even debatable claims become irreversible. That is why Al Franken is now the US Senator from Minnesota, even if his election was corrupt and wrong. It's water under the bridge. Leave it to history.

And yet the Obama "birther" debate is important. What's important about it is the feeling a growing number of Americans have in their bones that Obama is foreign -- to our traditions, loyalties and shared understandings about the nature of America. In a way the legal debate matters less than that bone-deep sense that Obama is fundamentally "Other than American."

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Conservatives helped win the Cold War, but did not win the battle for the schools and universities. That is why Barry Soetoro Barack Hussein Obama is now President.

Gear yourself up, and don't stop fighting the battle for hearts and minds. It's all-important.

1 posted on 07/31/2009 11:59:39 AM PDT by Marguerite
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To: Marguerite

The law or the man?


2 posted on 07/31/2009 12:08:15 PM PDT by Lexington Green
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To: Marguerite

Translation: If an unqualified candidate has enough willing accomplices in the media, he has it made. It will be up to the PEOPLE to throw him out. In other words, it’s OK for a thug to occupy the White House and it’s OK for actual Americans to be betrayed, but we just CAN’T HAVE rioting by the thug’s supporters.


3 posted on 07/31/2009 12:13:45 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: Marguerite

Looking forward to Obama fixing healthcare!

Ya right!


4 posted on 07/31/2009 12:14:18 PM PDT by ncfool (Obama's Health care is Like Cash for Clunkers! Dead on Arrival.)
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To: shibumi

“the sheer weight of commitments that cannot be reversed without creating chaos”

Ordo ab chao ping.


5 posted on 07/31/2009 12:18:28 PM PDT by Salamander (Cursed with Second Sight.)
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To: Marguerite

The American people have a constitutional right to see Obama’s original birth records, college records, college papers et al. What is he hiding by not releasing them? The American people have a right to know where his loyalties lie. His previous statements about this country are troubling. He makes life and death decisions for our military, and our country. Pray for our soldiers in harms way.


6 posted on 07/31/2009 12:20:43 PM PDT by progunsantichoice
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To: Marguerite

first thing is to get at least one state to make showing a long form birth certificate mandatory for running for the office of president.


7 posted on 07/31/2009 12:25:00 PM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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So is Obama American-born? I don't know. I bet he never comes up with that vault copy birth certificate for us to examine. But it's never going to matter a hill of beans, because no judge wants to be accused of overthrowing a sitting President of the United States.

The article does NOT mentions "The Constitution." Therefore I am telling you the whole judicial system have been BLACK MAILED to not uphold and defend the Constitution that they all have taken an Oath to do. The biggest political scandal in our nations history!!!

8 posted on 07/31/2009 12:31:23 PM PDT by danamco
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Or sadly, the U.S. Armed Forces to get a prove that he is their legit C-i-C!!!


9 posted on 07/31/2009 12:39:33 PM PDT by danamco
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What if a long form birth certificate doesn’t exist for a person who is otherwise qualified? I am an American citizen born and raised in this country. When I joined the Marine Corps I didn’t have a birth certificate. I contacted the state I was born in (Oregon) and they sent me the certificate of live birth because according to them the original no longer existed. The Marine Corps was fine with what I had.


10 posted on 07/31/2009 12:39:57 PM PDT by Sticky
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To: Marguerite
It's a simple thing to put to rest. I have a passport and a birth certificate. I can produce them at my house in a matter of minutes. I have not spent a million dollars to either acquire them...or to hide them.

This is not a unreasonable thing to ask for since being a "natural born citizen" of the US is a constitutional requirement for the job of President. It's not hateful, and it's not racist.

Proving that you are should be an honor.

Yet Obama cannot and will not produce either. Why?

THE AUDACITY OF TRUTH ABOUT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA'S UPBRINGING

A PETITION ON FACEBOOK FOR CONSTITUTIONAL RESTORATION

11 posted on 07/31/2009 12:43:35 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Marguerite

It is also about the failure of duty, honor and country by those whole only claim is that they are in power and/or deserving.

Honesty matters.


12 posted on 07/31/2009 12:50:07 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Fili et Spiritus Sancti.)
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Let me help some of the weak thinkin’

... it's about _TREASON_ !

Anybody who supports, allows and/or ignores an unqualified person becoming POTUS, is guilty of treason. TREASON. Those that pussy foot this issue away don't honor my US Constitution or my country. If he's qualified then you prove it - or prepare to reap of the treason you have sown.

Duh.

13 posted on 07/31/2009 12:51:53 PM PDT by veracious
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To: danamco

This is not the biggest scandal in American History.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kFwkIv8AsI


14 posted on 07/31/2009 12:58:20 PM PDT by BILL_C (Those who don't understand the lessons of history will repeat, repeat and repeat.)
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What if a long form birth certificate doesn’t exist for a person who is otherwise qualified?

Then they'd just have to settle for not becoming President, like almost everybody else. It's not like we have a shortage of @$$h*les who want to be President.

15 posted on 07/31/2009 12:58:47 PM PDT by 3niner (When Obama succeeds, America fails.)
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To: Marguerite
No judge is going to question the Constitutional qualifications of an elected president.

Except that no one had standing beforehand.
And there is such a thing as legal precedent to be considered. If it comes out that he wasn't a natural-born citizen, then the Constitution is damaged if he doesn't stand aside.

16 posted on 07/31/2009 1:07:33 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Obi-Wan Palin: Strike her down and she shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.)
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No judge is going to question the Constitutional qualifications of an elected president. I'm sorry, but that's the practical reality.

I doubt that the American people will be content with leaving it up to a judge or congress if they refuse to remove the fraud. The issue would quickly become a powder keg waiting for a spark.

17 posted on 07/31/2009 1:26:40 PM PDT by Mogollon (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -- Thomas Jefferson)
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trying to reverse it would mean riots in every city in the nation

Bring it on.

18 posted on 07/31/2009 1:55:43 PM PDT by Robert DeLong (u)
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To: Sticky

USMC did not require you to be a Natural Born citizen, now did they?

Actually they didn’t even require you to be a citizen!


19 posted on 07/31/2009 2:05:52 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (Kenya? Kenya? Kenya just show us the birth certificate?)
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To: progunsantichoice
The American people have a constitutional right to see Obama’s original birth records, college records, college papers et al.

Which clause of the Constitution is that in? One of those penumbras or emanantions, perhaps?

20 posted on 07/31/2009 2:08:22 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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