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Is the Fed.gov behind the ammo shortage, or NOT? What do you all think?
1 posted on 03/24/2009 6:22:40 AM PDT by 2harddrive
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the problem is that ammo manufacturers were reliant on the military for used casings. The shortage will be worked out but ammo will become more costly.


2 posted on 03/24/2009 6:24:21 AM PDT by MAD-AS-HELL (Hope and Change. Rhetoric embraced by the Insane - Obama, The Chump in Charge)
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The socialists figured out that they could not win the battle of banning our guns so they took the next logical step and that was to pinch off the supply of ammunition.


3 posted on 03/24/2009 6:28:36 AM PDT by Concho (01-20-2009--The beginning of an ERROR)
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Yes, indirectly, by driving up demand; not by restricting supply.


5 posted on 03/24/2009 6:29:09 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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In that Barry Hussein (Fed Gov) is scaring lots of folk so they are buying ammo in preparation for the unthinkable; yeah.


6 posted on 03/24/2009 6:30:17 AM PDT by Vor Lady (Viva la Revolution!)
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Yes by driving up demand.Also relatively cheap ammo could come from China, hunting grade soft points .But China is not allowed to import ammo to the US.But they got a pretty good deal supplying the drug cartels of Mexico and Iran.The DOD cut of re loadable brass for a week a few weeks back and one reloading company in Georgia was going to drop 20-30 jobs because of loss of the monthly 15 million spent, re loadable cartridges in .223,308 and 9mm that they use.The order came from the top down but a couple of Democrat senators actually screamed at the DOD that they were costing them reelection and so the order was rescinded.
Milsurp 308 has just about dried up and law enforcement agencies have had to severely cut live fire exercises because of the shortage and cost of 9mm, 40 and 45.
Look to the current regime to ban all imported ammo, thus Winchester, Remington and Hornady will have their “cheap” ammo going for $10 a round or more.


11 posted on 03/24/2009 6:34:19 AM PDT by redstateconfidential (" An American Idol President")
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Obama is responsible, but only in the sense that he scares the living crap out of gun owners, who have stocked up on everything they can get their hands on. I went to Wal*Mart last Sunday afternoon - they had received a new shipment in the morning - already gone, cleaned out, and manufactures cannot keep up with demand. It's quite nearly panic-buying and it won't stop until we have an idea what this Administration's intentions are; which - given their recent pattern - we won't know until they act.
13 posted on 03/24/2009 6:37:07 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life.)
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The fault of the ammo shortage is many fold, but the primary cause would be the commodities market this time last year, where lead, copper, brass were all at all time price highs. Lead was four times normal market, and add on huge transport surcharges going on into the summer, a lot of dealers (and consumers) didn't want to pay the price.

Distribution problems play another part - Many distributors went out of business over the last few years, and typically those distributors would have fair sized warehouses which would buffer off shocks to prices. But instead, those distributors going out of business artificially reduced the price of ammo. That reduced price expectation made a lot of retailers shy about ordering in the more expensive current production.

Finally, Obama was elected, and people went on a buying spree, while at the same time the remaining distributors went on a slash and burn, cutting off credit to long time retailers and demanding pre-paid or cash on delivery orders.

14 posted on 03/24/2009 6:38:46 AM PDT by kingu (Party for rent - conservative opinions not required.)
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In part. Eco regs, the ongoing war, and a boatload of hording by worried gun owners.


15 posted on 03/24/2009 6:39:18 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (1000110010101010100001001001111)
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I don’t think the federal government is actively doing anything to restrict the supply of ammunition - people are simply buying it as fast as it hits the shelves these days. I suspect the ammo importers are going “all in” on their new orders, trying to get as much warehoused as they possibly can. It is likely that the (relatively) inexpensive imported military surplus ammo will be banned in the future. People know this, up and down the supply chain. So, supply has simply outstripped available supply.


16 posted on 03/24/2009 6:39:36 AM PDT by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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I think people are buying it up as fast as it hits the shelves, and output has remained the same.


17 posted on 03/24/2009 6:44:26 AM PDT by stuartcr (If the end doesn't justify the means...why have different means?)
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I am behind the ammo shortage.


19 posted on 03/24/2009 6:49:46 AM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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Yes, in the sense that fear of further gun control is causing demand to skyrocket.
20 posted on 03/24/2009 7:00:23 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Only after disaster can we be resurrected." -- Tyler Durden)
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I heard Pete Brownell (of Brownels) clearly state on the local radio show “Gun Talk” that the ammo manufacturers are running a full capacity. I really do not think it is a “fed” issue but rather one of American Citizens really are sucking up every last round put on the shelves.

Which absolutely has me grinning from ear to ear.


22 posted on 03/24/2009 7:03:27 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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Gun and ammo shortgages are the one area showing the market works.


23 posted on 03/24/2009 7:08:43 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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This is 101 course material.

24 posted on 03/24/2009 7:13:25 AM PDT by bmwcyle (American voters can fix this world if they would just wake up.)
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Specifically, no, not intentionally.

Zero is the #1 reason

Commodity inflation in 08 created other market forces that led to low stocks.

Lets hope this ultimately rights itself before Holder gets to enact any anti-gun/anti-ammo regulation.


25 posted on 03/24/2009 7:15:26 AM PDT by Malsua
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No. We’re behind the ammo shortage.


26 posted on 03/24/2009 7:20:22 AM PDT by green iguana
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I’ve purchased more ammo in the past 6 months than I had in the past 57 years. And I doubt I’m alone. Hussein is certainly responsible for the shortage, but only as the Marxist dictator-wanna-be, driving actual Americans to stock up.


28 posted on 03/24/2009 7:39:46 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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Sort of, I think.

This is from my memory hole so bear with me and correct me if I am wrong.

1. The feds banned the import of class II or class III ammo.
Not sure what that is, but some were complaining about it at the time.
2. We have bought huge amounts of ammo for Iraq. Supposedly we really used up world capacity for ammo manufacture. I think this has ended as last year ammo manufacturers began talking about what they were going to do when the contracts ended. These were huge contracts, by the way. Billions and billions of rounds.
3. The increase in components cost has been due to China’s infrastructure explosion.
4. There has been an increase in ammo buying in the US.

If anyone has more to add, please do so.


30 posted on 03/24/2009 8:18:40 AM PDT by texmexis best (uency)
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Deliberately? Not at all. Nothing has been done to deliberately cut supplies (save for the rapidly-recinded shells issue). Any import restrictions have been in place for quite some time, so that’s not a new effect.

Indirectly? Yeah, but only as a matter of reality. There’s a war on, remember? And any hints at cutting legal supplies tends to boost pre-emptive purchases.

Fact is, the supply isn’t much different than it was before anything that could be construed as “the fed.gov being behind the shortage”. The problem is US, the consumers: thanks to a confluence of real and perceived supply reduction, we’ve entered a self-reinforcing hysteria causing a run on what supplies are available. Demand, mostly out of fear, outstrips supply. Manufacturers are not going to ramp up production because (A) they are already running at maximum output, and (B) the cost to increase production is not matched by long-term demand once the hysteria dies down. At some point, even the most motivated buyer will decide he’s got enough.

Upshot: no conspiracy. Unless Big O is actually, secretly, being paid off by manufacturers to literally scare up demand.


33 posted on 03/24/2009 10:27:10 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (John Galt was pushed.)
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