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To: word_warrior_bob

1. I agree that great inaccurate horrors have been visited upon folks by very wrongful, unethical, distorted etc. use of hypnosis by thoughtless, unscrupulous, even charlatan types of investigators and even trained therapists.

2. I do not know the percentages. I don’t think you do, either.

3. I do not believe it is wisdom nor accurate to reality nor justice to the victims to BLACKWASH the tool.

4. In Betty’s case, there was ultimately scientific evidence that verified what she revealed under hypnosis—even though NO astronomer AT THE TIME knew of such a star configuration anywhere in the universe. She turned out to be accurate on 3 dimensions. That’s more than just a bastardized parlor trick.

5. I don’t like hypnosis for spiritual reasons. I believe it teaches folks to open themselves up to demonic forces and in many cases does so through demonized hypnotists.

6. On the other hand, spell-binding orators, white stripes on the highway, commercials, certain kinds of music . . . all contribute to essentially every one being hypnotized to some degree at some times in their lives.

7. There are solid workable, practical protocols to insure that no one is being led in any particular direction by a hypnosis session.

8. I do not believe anyone should be incarcerated or judged guilty on the basis of hypnosis—particularly without serious, hard-fact corroborating OTHER EVIDENCE. It may well be the case that hypnosis can be useful in directing investigators down a line of investigation which they were not aware of and that might prove fruitful.

9. I don’t think it is overly earth shaking that any given hypnosis story has any list of particulars about it. Things are incredibly complex in life and certainly in using such methodologies.

10. HOWEVER, the collection of credible cases taken as a whole is quite substantial. And, “fantasies” just does not explain it. The events uncovered are incredibly consistent on a list of particulars. This is true with folks who’ve never been exposed to the literature at all.

11. HYPNOSIS by itself and certainly as “a fantasy” does NOT EXPLAIN the missing end of 3rd trimester babies taken out of mothers’ wombs unless the baby is truly missing after earlier medical exam that day demonstrated the baby was present and healthy.

12. Hypnosis, by itself, as a “fantasy” does not explain typical “scoop” marks and other standard body marks and scars resulting from an abduction.

13. Hypnosis, by itself, as a “fantasy” does not explain electrical, magnetic etc. effects on cars, engines and the like.

14. Hypnosis, by itself, as a “fantasy” does not explain cattle being demonstrably dropped on to snow or muddy ground etc. from a hundred to a few hundred feet up—having earlier been taken from the same field—in some cases being seen rising in a beam of light—seen without any hint of hypnosis being used on anyone involved.

15. Hypnosis, by itself, as a “fantasy” does not explain cattle [and an alarming number of humans] having their genitals, an eye, half a jaw and rectums cored out with incredible precision unavailable to our medical profession—certainly at the beginning of the phenomena. IIRC, we still don’t know—at least normal uninvolved human medical personnel do not understand how every last drop of blood can be so fully removed with not a drop detectable on the snow nor on/remaining in the animal.

16. I used to have a rather cheeky dismissive attitude toward the Betty and Barney Hill case, too. I’m not sure why. I think it was uncomfortable to me, somehow. I did not WANT to believe it. It may have been Stanton Friedman’s investigation into it that raised my respect for it. He’s a solid, very methodical, very scientific researcher.

Cheers.


93 posted on 02/22/2009 6:59:16 AM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

The map of the stars, which Betty managed to diagram under hypnotic suggestion, was studied in 1974 by an Ohio schoolteacher who was also an amateur astronomer named Marjorie Fish. Ms. Fish spent five years looking for a match to the stars Betty Hill described. The match she found was subsequently challenged by astrophysicist Carl Sagan, he used a sophisticated computer program to compare the star systems and found only a vague connection.

Watch the TV version of Carl Sagan’s Cosmos. (You can probably get it on video at a library.) In it, he thoroughly debunks the Zeta Reticuli business by removing the lines from the “map”. It’s an illusion - if you connect the stars in the real map and the fake one with lines in the same fashion, the similarities between the maps will be exaggerated.

Here’s Carl Sagan debunking the “star map” on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9VLAWxDut0

The Hill case has been thoroughly debunked so many times it’s not even funny. Did you know it took 6 months of “hypnotherapy” for Barney to come around to Betty’s story that he had been abducted?

The Hill’s is a classic case of “recovered memory”, just like other “UFO abductees”, victims of childhood sexual abuse and Satanic Ritual abuse.

Saying you believe in “some” cases of recovered memories like that of UFO abductees is like believing that “some” Magicians are “real” Magicians. Magicians all use the same tricks, just like hypnotherapists.

Recovered memories are totally unreliable and should be given little to no credence, ESPECIALLY when they drift off into the realm of weekly Satanic Rituals and baby killings in your parents basement, daily childhood sexual abuse and orgies for years on end with no conscious memory and being abducted, probed and forced to copulate with aliens.

By that standard, saying that by sheer volume, some of it must be true, then there are a bunch of normal midwestern families who slaughtered infants in Satanic Rituals every Saturday night as their children (some of adult age!) watched, but had no recall until they met a “hypnotherapist”.

There is no credible “science” about the Hill case, you state things about the case that have been explained and debunked. The Hill’s own psychiatrist Dr. Simon believed Betty made it all up and finally convinced Barney that it happened. It took Barney 6 months of “mind mangling” or “hypnotherapy” for him to become a “believer”.


109 posted on 02/22/2009 4:53:23 PM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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