Posted on 11/22/2008 4:27:34 PM PST by dbz77
I've been neglecting my blog, I admit it, but now that I think I finally have a layout that I like, perhaps I will more likely to post.
I have pictures from Halloween, my trip to NYC, and other musings, however, right now, I am still fixated on the fact that my fellow Californians passed Proposition 8, thereby banning gay marraige. California is supposed to be one of the more liberal states in the Union, yet here we are, a bunch of biggots.
That's honestly how I feel. There isn't any acceptable form of bigotry in today's day, unless you hate homosexuals! People with "Yes on 8" signs in their yard might as well have a sign that reads, "Hi - I'm a bigot! Yes on 8!"
In general my view on life is ... if it doesn't affect you or harm anyone else, then WHY DO YOU CARE??? You may not want to marry a member of the same sex, so don't(!), but why does it matter if your neighbor Jim does? It's not harming you, and the signifigance of your marriage isn't "cheapened" in any way. You took vows - so honor them and then the sanctity of marriage will remain so in your home. People spend so much time worrying about what other people are doing and labeling them "sinners" instead of focusing on themselves.
I believe this is an issue of civil rights because I believe that homosexuals don't have a choice - it's in their genetics. And the last time I checked, we don't leave issues of civil rights up to popular vote. It is my true hope that the legal system will overturn the vote and gay people can get married, have babies, throw parties, celebrate holidays ... and the world will be a better, more tolerant, place because of it.
Moses
Jesus Christ
Mohammed
The Buddha
Thomas Paine
Voltaire
Frederick Douglass
Any others who are bigots?
ibtz
Not only are they ‘bigots’, but they are also proving themselves to be intolerant thugs.
People with "Yes on 8" signs in their yard might as well have a sign that reads, "Hi - I'm a bigot! Yes on 8!"Many people in my old neighborhood in the west side of Long Beach had "Yes on 8" sign. This map shows Prop. 8 won in my old neighborhood. No Republican presidential nominee has won there since 1984.
Ezekiel 3:17-19 Son of man, I have made thee a watchman unto the house of Israel: therefore hear the word at my mouth, and give them warning from me. When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.
Every soul is precious. To not warn the lost, and to lie to someone by telling them that sin is to be 'celebrated' and not repented - is exceedingly cruel.
Matthew 13:41-42 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Marriage is the institution by which society reproduces itself. We can see all around us the disaster brought by bearing children out-of-wedlock. That isn't the way to reproduce society.
It won't do to say that letting sodomites "marry" doesn't affect all other marriages. Once marriage is redefined, all marriages are redefined. They are then no longer for continuing society, but solely for sexual gratification. There is then no reason for society to grant special privileges to married couples (tax benefits, can't be forced to testify against each other, and on and on).
The people of State of California voted on an initiative that was approved by the Attorney General of the State. The initiative was completely legal, done in compliance with Article 18, Section 3 of the Constitution of the State of California. The people have spoken - for a second time on this issue. dbz77, if you want to call that bigotry go for it. I call it democracy.
“I believe that homosexuals don’t have a choice - it’s in their genetics.”
You’re being an ideological and moral bully and bigot when you demand special extra rights for behavior that you choose to indulge in. We’re staying out of your bedroom, you or some of your friends at least are trying to thrust your bedroom practices in everyone’s face.
If it were a genetic issue, animals would more commonly act the same way as you advocate—but they don’t, and thus they mate, perpetuate and survive. Your lifestyle is artificial and only with artificial interventions can you get a placebo-like pseudo-offspring as a symbol that you ‘reproduce.’
That is sad.
If you want to know how to resolve whether the issue is indeed genetic, here you go:
http://www.exodus-international.org/
If it’s genetic, nobody would leave the lifestyle but tens of thousands are DOCUMENTED to have been freed from being overwhelmed by that temptation.
I wish you true happiness.
bttt
The Dalai Lama is also a bigot.
Well, frankly, I have no delusions that my caring will cause you to modify your behavior. So, I guess I don't care what you do in your private life. What I do care about is your unfortunate tendency to aggressively coerce recognition and acceptance of your chosen lifestyle. What I do care about is the fact that you will attempt to force my church to accept behavior that is completely antithetical to the beliefs we hold. What I care about is your obvious desire to subvert my religious beliefs.
If you consider yourself to be of a particular religion except for the fact you are gay, then just go ahead and start your own church where gay relationships are acceptable. Virtually all of the work will already have been done for you.
There are two components to marriage, a legal contract between you and your spouse and the state, and a covenant between the two of you and God. For the first, there isn't anything to stop you. Form a LLC with your spouse including some specifics about property and inheritance and you more or less have it covered. Go to your new church and hold a ceremony according to your "corrected" beliefs. But don't try to coerce my church into recognizing your marriage.
That's why I care.
The state should not be in the marriage business, anyway. The co-mingling of the religious and legal elements of marriage is an artifact from the monolithic church of Rome, which was above even Kings in its earthly power. Let the state enforce the legal contracts, and let the churches handle the religious aspects. And if you are an atheist the religious component of marriage shouldn't matter to you. Try exercising your rights instead of trying to infringe ours.
It's simply not.
It's one man, one woman.
You'll notice, of course, that no one is forcing all-female schools to shut down, nor all-female gyms.
No one is looking for equality. They already have that through the court system and various legal documents. What they are looking for is for the world to see NO DIFFERENCE between marriage and gay hookups.
And to that I say stick it in your ***.
It isn't? Are you sure? Ooops!
Please listen carefully, Blogger.
You have two sides to this Proposition. One side wants marriage to be between a man and a woman, exclusively. Tradition and religion have been this way for thousands of years.
The other side wants two people of the same sex to be able to get married. This is new, historically, but pop culture has accepted it and many people want this for themselves or their loved ones.
That is the point. There are TWO groups of people who feel differently about this issue. Can you stand that fact?
It was held up to a vote, in a state that favors liberals, during a Presidential election that also favored liberals. The vote was fair and square. The first group won.
The second group is incensed and calling the first group horrible names, like bigots.
You tell me which side is less kind, decent, and mature.
huh?
This one needs an education (cannot post links from PDA)
Because the country doesn’t want to legitimize a mental disorder as a normal lifestyle choice. We don’t want predators, whether they be the trusted uncle, little league coach, priest, or boy scout leader to molest children under the guise that it’s “normal”. It’s not normal.
These predators prey on lonely, troubled and confused kids who don’t know anything about sexuality and can be swayed due to pressure. This is the danger of calling their abnormal sexual behavior normal. It legitimizes experimentation in children who know nothing about sex, some are just starved for any adult attention and will go along with being molested.
Homosexuality is a mental disorder triggered in early childhood development, there is no gay gene, there may be a predilection but as of now there is no proof that anyone is “born gay”. Predilection does not mean one is destined to be gay, many of us may have the predilection to be a serial killer, but lack the developmental traumas and triggers that bring out the behavior. “Normalize” homosexuality and you open the door for predators, who can take adolescents with NO predilection towards homosexuality and bring them into the lifestyle with peer pressure, attention and acceptance.
Everything I said will stand up to scrutiny and science, this may be one of the few message boards on the internet where I won’t be banned for saying it.
Suck on the truth homo activists.
Will the Homos boycott California? NO.
Not only that, but Prop 8 actually won buy a slight margin (less than a percent) in LOS ANGELES COUNTY. If you look at a map of the area that voted “yes” is was the eastern part of the county from East La through to the County Line, as well as South Central LA and parts of the San Fernando Valley that were a little, uh, ethnic (IE Van Nuys). It lost in the “white” parts of LA County (Westwood, Beverly Hills, Sherman Oaks, etc.).
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