What Warren Didn't Ask

Palm Beach Post ^ | Aug. 24, 2008 | Dan Moffett

[Ron in Acreage]

It's still hard to say which will do more damage to the nation over the long term: the politicization of religion, or the religionization of politics.

I shouldn't have to type this sentence because it's so obvious and well-established, but the whole idea of America is supposed to be about keeping religion and government separate so that both will remain strong and protected. The Founders would be astonished to see how far we've drifted from that brilliant principle. They certainly wouldn't have understood what went on at the Saddleback Church last weekend, when John McCain and Barack Obama sat down with the Rev. Rick Warren for interviews that often seemed more like exchanges that belonged in confessionals.

[Ron in Acreage]

Another America bashing editorial in The PB Post. Par for the course. Definately needs some freeping sense.

[Texas Eagle]

...the whole idea of America is supposed to be about keeping religion and government separate so that both will remain strong and protected. The Founders would be astonished to see how far we've drifted from that brilliant principle. They certainly wouldn't have understood what went on at the Saddleback Church last weekend...

John Adams:
“ The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were the general principals of Christianity… I will avow that I believed and now believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.”
• “[July 4th] ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty.”
–John Adams in a letter written to Abigail on the day the Declaration was approved by Congress

[Texas Eagle]

John Quincy Adams:
• “Why is it that, next to the birthday of the Savior of the world, your most joyous and most venerated festival returns on this day [the Fourth of July]?" “Is it not that, in the chain of human events, the birthday of the nation is indissolubly linked with the birthday of the Savior? That it forms a leading event in the progress of the Gospel dispensation? Is it not that the Declaration of Independence first organized the social compact on the foundation of the Redeemer's mission upon earth? That it laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity"?
--1837, at the age of 69, when he delivered a Fourth of July speech at Newburyport, Massachusetts.

“The Law given from Sinai [The Ten Commandments] was a civil and municipal as well as a moral and religious code.”
John Quincy Adams. Letters to his son. p. 61

[donna]

The Founders would be astonished to see how far we've drifted from that brilliant principle.

The Founders believed that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof".

They didn't limit the states from establishing a religion - it was up to each state to do as it pleased.

President Jefferson attended church services in the Capitol Building on Sundays.

[Lancey Howard]

More lame excuse-making by an embittered scumbag liberal Democrat who was humiliated by his candidate’s pathetic performance at Saddleback.

[Lorianne]

Religion and politics have always been entertwined, for good and ill.

You can’t make blanket statements like this author does about the time period of the Founders or subsequent eras. (For example: religion was used as a basis to both oppose and support the practice of slavery).

I don’t think the author has read much history.

[kcvl]

More than 300 Palm Beach Post employees have applied for buyouts and all have been accepted, according to an internal memo.

updated list of those who have been accepted for the buyout includes:

Editorial writer Dan Moffett

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For saying balloting in Florida on November 7th went without a hitch

For their editorial cartoonist comparing registered Republicans to the KKK

For columnist Dan Moffet using shoddy statistics in a Sunday column

For insulting the troops in Iraq

Randy Schultz got one for calling students who do well in class, insignificant i.e. nerds

[Texas Eagle]

Sen. McCain scored big points when he admitted leading a "very imperfect" life and talked contritely about the failure of his first marriage. It's probably too late for Sen. Obama to have an extramarital affair, confess it and win redemption in time for Election Day. He should have taken care of this years ago and come into the race fully prepared to be commander in chief.

Anyway, John Edwards has poisoned the waters of public tolerance for philandering, at least for now.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Did John McCain say his first marriage failed because he cheated on his wife? If so, I missed it.

[kcvl]

It doesn't take a theologian to ask politicians hard questions about the moral conduct of government. Agnostics or atheists can do the interviewing just as well.

For example, how can the richest country on earth still have children who go to bed hungry each night?

How about the death penalty?

What is the United States' moral responsibility to take care of the planet?

More liberal BS.

[Reagan Man]

Dan Moffett sounds like another bleeding heart liberal.

Rick Warren did a good job. McCain was super. Obama was lost.

[kcvl]

No, McCain didn’t say that.

McCain’s answer to the question on his own failings was

“My greatest moral failing, and I have been a very imperfect person, is the failure of my first marriage,” he said.

[kcvl]

Rick Warren did a good job. McCain was super. Obama was lost.

The truth is that is Moffett's problem (among others).

[missnry]

... the whole idea of America is supposed to be about keeping religion and government separate so that both will remain strong and protected.

That is the greatest lie of our times. The author should go back to the beginning of this country and study how the legislators conducted themselves with regards to "religion." Then come back and tell us about keeping religion and government separate.

[IreneE]

Will I agree that the PB Post article buys into the “separation” lie, I would draw your attention to the lack of true Christian faith on the part of “Pastor” Rick Warren. He’s in league with the NAR (New Apostolic Reformation) folks, specifically the very strange and — some say Anti Christ (I have to agree) C. Peter Wagner, who is touted as Rick Warren’s “mentor”.

Indeed, the Jungian underpinnings of Warren’s purpose driven drivel earmark him as something other than “Christian”. I particularly did not like the egostuffed way CNN interviewed him the next day.

That being said, McCain was great. He just doesn’t know what a nightmare Warren is, or for that matter, what a spiritual nightmare it will be for this country if Romney, a Mormon, is his V.P. pick.

Warren and Romney ain’t Christians, in other words.

[llandres]

“John Adams:
“ The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were the general principals of Christianity… I will avow that I believed and now believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.”
• “[July 4th] ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty.”
–John Adams in a letter written to Abigail on the day the Declaration was approved by Congress”

TE - I’m quoting what you said again - these “separation of church and state” leftists who twist it to their own ends need to have this hammered home - as does most of the public who’ve never read or studied the founding fathers and their true, stated beliefs.

Thanks for this!!!

[llandres]

“Whoa, whoa, whoa. Did John McCain say his first marriage failed because he cheated on his wife? If so, I missed it.”

I think Warren’s question was something like, what do you consider your greatest moral failing? To which JSM said, the failure of his first marriage.

Figure it out. I saw his face and the way he answered, and I think he was being honest. BHO’s answer? Blase, safe and superficial, like all the rest of his responses.

[llandres]

“Warren and Romney ain’t Christians, in other words.”

Let’s NOT miss the forest for the trees here. The only religion on earth that calls for KILLING all who don’t follow it is Islam (okay, just the “radical” branch of it, which numbers a couple hundred MILLION or so). And we need to look not at the republican side but.....

Do most people know that we now have TWO elected U.S. congressmen who are Muslim??? OR, that a Muslim Imam recently opened the Iowa Legislative session with an Islamic prayer mentioning the Great Satan???

C’mon, guys, wake up!!!

[IreneE]

Actually you are wrong about Mormons not advocating killing.

Yeah. Brigham Young advocated the killing of any member who left the church, to “atone” for their sins. The killing or murder of “unbelievers” by Mormons was part of the great anti Mormon sentiment that got them kicked out of their original “city of Zion” Independence MO (Heart of Kansas City, MO.) Their actual theology appears very “Christian American” and very “family values” but when push comes to shove, well, Brigham Young said it.

There is a queasy, and easy, going back to Old Testament ideas by Mormonism, whose own book of Mormon does not make a distinction between the two. Indeed, our whole Western Civilization is built upon this New Testament distinction..

Romney as VP has way too good of a shot to be Prez. I do not want these non Christians in office. I’d rather have a nominal, nearly agnostic Presbyterian or Episcopalian or Catholic in office than a Mormon. Their ideas for the End Times in the Bible do not fit in easily with our breakdown of freedoms under Homeland Security etc.

Sorry to sound so anti Mormon, but this is what they believe and it is not Christian and scary when you consider all their “End Times” agendas.
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