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"These results do not support the idea that global temperatures have remained static since 1998, let alone the idea that a cooling trend has started. They are consistent with the proposition of a continued warming of the earth’s lower atmosphere, driven by the greenhouse effect."
1 posted on 05/03/2008 8:58:57 PM PDT by cogitator
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2 posted on 05/03/2008 9:02:29 PM PDT by cogitator
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Is the Earth cooling? Experts Respond
3 posted on 05/03/2008 9:19:00 PM PDT by cogitator
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wha’ i can’t wait to see

is how the u.s. democrap media

spins the brains of tv viewers

from global warming cycle

to global cooling cycle!

si.


4 posted on 05/03/2008 9:22:17 PM PDT by ken21 ( people die + you never hear from them again.)
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These results do not support the idea that global temperatures have remained static since 1998

The weather changes, almost exclusively in correlation with solar output. Sorry, we don't make enough heat here on Earth to touch it.
5 posted on 05/03/2008 9:28:46 PM PDT by allmost
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Just wow! This is the best they can do?

He reports a linear upward trend in temperature on page 4 but does not provide the statistics that tell you how likely it is that the trend is different than zero. I ran the actual regression numbers for two of the series, the one with the strongest trend (NASA GISS) and the one with the weakest trend (HadCRUT3). The results appear below after the text.

The bottom line is that neither of the "trends" comes even close to the normal p-value required to be considered statistically different from NO TREND. Generally p<0.05 is regarded as the threshold. His p-values, had he reported them, would have been about 0.17 (HadCRUT3) and 0.67 (NASA GISS).

This omission is really embarrassing--especially when reporting the p-values makes his "trends" meaningless. From glancing through the article, he almost certainly knows enough statistics to know that his "trends" are statistically meaningless and he almost certainly knows better than to compute a regression "trend" and not report the p-value for the regression. That he did not was, imho, almost surely intentional.

In formal terms, none of the series reported on page four of the article give any reason to reject the null hypothesis at the 95% (the standard), the 90% or even the 85% confidence level. The null hypothesis would be that there is NO trend in temperature between 1998 and 2007.

If this were a normal scientific paper, the reviewers would have required him to report that, as a result of his data, he could not reject the null hypothesis that there is NO TREND in temperature.

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For hadCrut3 Series

TEMP = a*Year + b

Coefficients:
Value Std. Error t value Pr(>|t|)
(Intercept) -7.7865 18.6444 -0.4176 0.6872
Year 0.0041 0.0093 0.4396 0.6718

Residual standard error: 0.08852 on 8 degrees of freedom
Multiple R-Squared: 0.02359
F-statistic: 0.1933 on 1 and 8 degrees of freedom, the p-value is 0.6718

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For NASA GISS Series

TEMP = a*Year + b Value Std. Error t value Pr(>|t|)
(Intercept) -39.6009 27.0090 -1.4662 0.1808
V2 0.0204 0.0135 1.5092 0.1697

Residual standard error: 0.1282 on 8 degrees of freedom
Multiple R-Squared: 0.2216
F-statistic: 2.278 on 1 and 8 degrees of freedom, the p-value is 0.1697

6 posted on 05/03/2008 10:18:37 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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Just one more note. What is also interesting in this paper is that noone is discussing the fact that the 1999 and on numbers (which this AGW’er accepts as correct) are way below the IPCC forecasts.

Assessing just how badly the IPCC did is difficult because of the sloppiness of the IPCC forecasts—you really can’t tell what the meaning of their “confidence intervals” are. But if they are typical confidence intervals (95%) bands, the probability that the IPCC forecasts are too high is very large (I ran those numbers about a month ago and was suprised that noone is talking about just how far off the IPCC was.)

Even if you toss the IPCC confidence intervals and use the IPCC temperature forecasts only, it is still highly probable that the IPCC forecasts are too high.

I’ll try to find these numbers and post them here.


7 posted on 05/03/2008 10:25:53 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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Dude... give it a rest. With the Argo Network and the Aqua satellites, the Earth is cooling. The hottest periods for the USA all occurred back in the 1920s (see James Hansen's data: Corrected GISS temperature data, August 2007). The Arctic ice is at a record extent. Disko Bay in Greenland froze over for the first time in 30 years, and in California Mount Shasta's glaciers are growing.

Syria reached -22F this winter and Antarctica is 2C below the mean. Do you want to hear about China's recent coldest winter in 100 years?

9 posted on 05/03/2008 10:41:05 PM PDT by avacado
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Today on C-Span 2:

12 posted on 05/04/2008 3:55:58 AM PDT by steelyourfaith
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Forget El Nino, the error bars from 1995 and the 2008 overlap which means there has been no statistically significant warming during that time. So says Richard Lindzen. And I think he is absolutely correct.


33 posted on 05/05/2008 10:57:04 AM PDT by jwalsh07 (El Nino is climate, La Nina is weather.)
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