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To: Coyoteman

the truth of the matter is that there are still no true transitional fossils that would be throughout the fossil record...they would be clearly showing many different life forms morphing into others as the theory says. This is a fact that many good scientists simply acknowledge. Fact. You can try and spin it any which way, but facts don’t lie.
And you named a bunch of neat organizations that most definetly have much science info, anyone with an open mind can find that out. What you did was take the most orthodox evangelical one and posted that to try and make all of them sound the same by implication. Sorry, just doesn’t work. Try again.


67 posted on 03/29/2008 10:01:17 PM PDT by fabian
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To: fabian
the truth of the matter is that there are still no true transitional fossils that would be throughout the fossil record...they would be clearly showing many different life forms morphing into others as the theory says. This is a fact that many good scientists simply acknowledge. Fact. You can try and spin it any which way, but facts don’t lie.

When I studied evolution in grad school there were quite a few transitional fossils. There are even more now. The problem is that folks who, for religious reasons, have to discredit the theory of evolution simply proclaim -- "There shall be no transitional fossils" and close their ears to any evidence to the contrary. They are following religious beliefs, not the scientific method or the evidence.

And I don't need to "spin" it. I actually studied the fossil evidence for evolution for six years in grad school, which is more than most creationists would be willing to do.

And you named a bunch of neat organizations that most definetly have much science info, anyone with an open mind can find that out. What you did was take the most orthodox evangelical one and posted that to try and make all of them sound the same by implication. Sorry, just doesn’t work. Try again.

OK, here is another one.

The Creation Research Society has the following on their website:

The Creation Research Society is a professional organization of trained scientists and interested laypersons who are firmly committed to scientific special creation. The Society was organized in 1963 by a committee of ten like-minded scientists, and has grown into an organization with an international membership.

CRS Statement of Belief

All members must subscribe to the following statement of belief:

1. The Bible is the written Word of God, and because it is inspired throughout, all its assertions are historically and scientifically true in the original autographs. To the student of nature this means that the account of origins in Genesis is a factual presentation of simple historical truths.

2. All basic types of living things, including man, were made by direct creative acts of God during the Creation Week described in Genesis. Whatever biological changes have occurred since Creation Week have accomplished only changes within the original created kinds.

3. The great flood described in Genesis, commonly referred to as the Noachian Flood, was an historic event worldwide in its extent and effect.

4. We are an organization of Christian men and women of science who accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior. The account of the special creation of Adam and Eve as one man and one woman and their subsequent fall into sin is the basis for our belief in the necessity of a Savior for all mankind. Therefore, salvation can come only through accepting Jesus Christ as our Savior.

Does this sound like science to you? Does this sound like research?

Any time preconceived beliefs, such as these, override the scientific method, an individual is doing (or teaching) apologetics (defense of religion), not science. It doesn't matter what scientific degrees one may have; to agree to a set of standards such as these, which is common (whether explicit or implicit) in creationist circles, is to cease doing science and move into the realm of apologetics.

71 posted on 03/29/2008 10:17:55 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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