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To: freespirited
Creation research will not be published in the peer reviewed journals, because the secular world does not want a scientific explanation that does not use naturalist causes for the origins of the universe.

And any information that is given by the privately ran Creation research programs is discounted by evolutionary people as useless as somewhere in the explanation is supernatural power.

Everyone who has a greater interest in a particular field or subject and does research and observation and even sometimes experiments is a scientist. You do not have to have a laboratory or a group of people under you or working with you to do science.

Creation science will always be on the fringe as the government has mandated it's tax paid for religion as fact with out any proof.
66 posted on 03/29/2008 9:57:09 PM PDT by Creationist (May the Lord Jesus bless you.)
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To: Creationist

I understand, but the ID people insist that ID is not creationism. They insist it is as much science as the biology I learned in college.

I was trying to say that ID won’t be considered science until its proponents conduct research consistent with the scientific method and publish it in peer-reviewed journals.

If they want to say ID is creationism, I have no problem with that whatsoever. None.


68 posted on 03/29/2008 10:05:20 PM PDT by freespirited (My dog thinks she is a typical white person.)
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To: Creationist
Creation research will not be published in the peer reviewed journals, because the secular world does not want a scientific explanation that does not use naturalist causes for the origins of the universe.

And any information that is given by the privately ran Creation research programs is discounted by evolutionary people as useless as somewhere in the explanation is supernatural power. [emphasis added]


(The reason it is discounted is that it is not science, nor is it subject to the scientific method.)

70 posted on 03/29/2008 10:07:02 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Creationist
Creation science will always be on the fringe as the government has mandated it's tax paid for religion as fact with out any proof.

Creation Science has always been on the fringe since scientists (many of them clergymen) recognised, in the early 19th Century, that it (then called Biblical Science) was incompatible with observation of the real world.

They had a choice between looking foolish or accepting that a literal interprtaion of the Bible might be incorrect.

Nothing new there

Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he holds to as being certain from reason and experience. Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of the faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men.... Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by these who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion. - Augustine of Hippo
American Creationistas have chosen to look foolish
79 posted on 03/29/2008 11:00:33 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (No Christian will dare say that [Genesis] must not be taken in a figurative sense. St Augustine)
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