Posted on 08/17/2007 9:47:13 AM PDT by N3WBI3
You've reached this page because the site you were trying to visit now blocks the FireFox browser.
The Mozilla Foundation and its Commercial arm, the Mozilla Corporation, has allowed and endorsed Ad Block Plus, a plug-in that blocks advertisement on web sites and also prevents site owners from blocking people using it. Software that blocks all advertisement is an infringement of the rights of web site owners and developers. Numerous web sites exist in order to provide quality content in exchange for displaying ads. Accessing the content while blocking the ads, therefore would be no less than stealing. Millions of hard working people are being robbed of their time and effort by this type of software. Many site owners therefore install scripts that prevent people using ad blocking software from accessing their site. That is their right as the site owner to insist that the use of their resources accompanies the presence of the ads.
While blanket ad blocking in general is still theft, the real problem is Ad Block Plus's unwillingness to allow individual site owners the freedom to block people using their plug-in. Blocking FireFox is the only alternative. Demographics have shown that not only are FireFox users a somewhat small percentage of the internet, they actually are even smaller in terms of online spending, therefore blocking FireFox seems to have only minimal financial drawbacks, whereas ending resource theft has tremendous financial rewards for honest, hard-working website owners and developers..
Since the makers of Ad Block Plus as well as the filter subscriptions that accompany it refuse to allow website owners control over their own intellectual property, and since FireFox actively endorses Ad Block Plus, the sites linking to this page are now blocking FireFox until the resource theft is stopped.
Netscape users can simply set their browser to IE mode to continue to enjoy the site that sent you here. FireFox users can use Internet Explorer, Opera or Netscape (in IE mode) to access it. FireFox users also have the option of using the IE Tab plug-in which uses the IE rendering engine to display pages, but also disables the Ad Block Plus plug-in.
If you are offended by the Mozilla Corporation's endorsement of dishonesty please contact the Mozilla Foundation and ask them to stop empowering internet theft.
Funny because of its own religious zeal? Here's a quote from that site...
Seriously how sad is it that a program needs a web page like this:
www.spreadfirefox.com
"Welcome to Spread Firefox. You are our marketing department, a diverse community of people tired of swatting popups, chasing spyware, combating identity theft and installing security updates you could set your watch to. You have a vision of the 21st century web and are ready to push it to the world, wresting control from a monopoly that has let it stagnate. We'll provide the tools, but you will drive campaigns that will be rolled out here over the coming months."
You can see clearly here this site is less about recommending a better browser and more about a crusade against Microsoft. But to have your crusade you must have a Religion and of course followers. To recruit followers you need beliefs.
OK... I've read and re-read that quote from spreadfirefox.com and I just can't seem to find the word "Microsoft" anywhere. Perhaps only the faithful can see it!
And they are within their rights to do so have I not been clear about that?
that is their choice on how they distribute their property. You guys are of course saying just because much on the internet is freely available, this owner doesn't have the right to deviate from that
Amazing you seemingly read post 35 but ignore "If a content owner chooses to block me because I block ads (block Firefox, block Tivo, ....) That is their right.". And you do this to make my opnioon seem different than it actually is. I clearly stated that he has the right to block me if I block ads. Wow youre selective reading comprehension is *amazing*
How are you not stealing if you don't pay his asking price?
See post 35 "If a content owner chooses to block me because I block ads (block Firefox, block Tivo, ....) That is their right."
See post 33 "I think the guy is well within his rights (I believe in the rights of IP, Copyright, and content owners) to block FireFox and I think his reason is quasi-legitimate."
See post 25 "I too wish him luck I may disagree with him on this (ad blocking) but so long as he is not stepping on me he can do whatever with his site he wishes.."
I may screw up my grammar and spelling on occasion but at least I can read..
Wow good news all around this week, Darl may have to put his chair up on ebay (Monkey boy can buy it as a projectile), Sun gets some good news, and IBM get some good news..
Why dont you PM shadow the article? he is very responsive..
Of course he is, he's the content owner LOL. He's not the one under scrutiny for stealing of couse, no that would be those of you that are saying you can take from him without meeting his asking price. A price he obviously has the right to set.
GE, Are you taking the stance that blocking ads on your browser is stealing? -- n3wbi3
No -- GE
Now you think that ad blocking does warrant scrutiny for stealing. This, GE, is not one of your better performances.
that would be those of you that are saying you can take from him without meeting his asking price.
And, as you're posting to me, you imply I hold this position? can you find anything to contradict the three post on this thread where I said he was within his rights?
No I was just laughing at your pitiful cries, but when you specifically asked if I thought it was stealing, I simply asked you how it could be not. Which you still can’t answer of course, all you did was admit the owner has every right to set the price, which we already knew of course. LOL.
A clear answer please is blocking ads stealing? I am on record as saying no its not...
It can be stealing, if the owner announces his condition for you accessing his content is to access the ad. As you said he has every right to set the price, what you can’t explain of course is how is it not stealing when you access his content but don’t meet his condition for access. Sounds like a hack to me, you got in without authorization, and took something without meeting the owners condition, which he has every right to set. Feel like I’m teaching a 5 year old LOL.
So we agree if the owner says you must not block ads to come here you should not block ads. But, ad blocking in and of itself is not stealing.
what you can’t explain of course is how is it not stealing when you access his content but don’t meet his condition for access.
I never said it was not, maybe you can show me where I did?
Well Im having quite alot of fun smacking you around but your inability to carry out an adult conversation without trying to define the position of the other person for them reminds me of why I usually filter you. With the SCO Novell thing ending Ill be putting it back on soon, I have too mcuh trouble ignoring trolls.
LOL hilarious since you were trying to put words in my mouth from the beginning but ended up admitting is it's stealing if the owner says you can't block the ads. Yeah you really showed me it can't possibly be stealing LMAO.
When you put something out on the Internet without restricting access through technical means, you are giving de facto permission for everyone to view it exactly as they wish. The "license" agreements for such content are BS. It's the same as me speaking on a street corner and telling people they have to agree to my conditions in order to listen to me -- they can listen to me talk as long as they don't plug in their headphones when I plug my sponsor. The very concept is ridiculous.
I've noticed a trend in your thinking, where you believe that any corporation with which you do business owns you. They can restrict your freedom of speech (Microsoft) and they can eliminate your consumer rights (as most do) and fair use rights (Microsoft, Apple, Adobe, MPAA). This thinking is quite un-American.
Quite obviously they did put something in place, which has led to all the tears we see on this thread LOL. Also funny how in just the last couple of days you’ve been insisting you weren’t part of the want everything for free crowd again, claiming you actually support proprty ownership and not the green party moonbats you constantly defend, but as I said then just check your posting history for the truth, and here you are again attacking property owners of course. About the only proprty owners you actually support are those from other countries, or those who use copyright for “copyleft” LOL.
And that's fine. This issue is about whether it's stealing to block ads, and it's definitely not. It's a burden you accept when you make the information publicly available.
About the only proprty owners you actually support are those from other countries, or those who use copyright for “copyleft”
And here I've actually come to the defense of Microsoft and the MPAA against actual pirates. You see, it is possible to defend a company against wrongs done to it, while criticizing it for the wrongs the company itself commits.
It is stealing if the owner makes a condition of your access to view the ads. I know you guys think just because it’s on the internet it’s automatically free for you to have, and can’t wait to take property from owners with tricky licenses and wording like your green party heroes at the Free Software Foundation, but that’s not how it works. Nor am I wasting any more of my time of your laughable claims and endless defenses of moonbats today LOL.
Gold Eagle Out
NEVER WRESTLE A PIG. You both get dirty, but the pig likes it.
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-- Bertrand Russell
"They never open their mouths without subtracting from the sum of human knowledge."
--Thomas Brackett Reed
"He knows so little and knows it so fluently."
--Ellen Glasgow
If I didn't know better, I'd swear these people wrote these after an exchange with the Brass Buzzard.
"The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits."
-- Albert Einstein
"Only two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe."
--Albert Einstein [1879-1955]
"Against stupidity, the gods themselves contend in vain."
-- Goethe
"Every now and then you meet someone whose ignorance is encyclopedic."
--Stanislaw J. Lec
"Ordinarily he was insane, but he had lucid moments when he was merely stupid."
--Heinrich Heine
While all seem to apply to him, I'm getting to think that Heine's is the most applicable.
#8^P
Thanks for the laughs! For some reason trolls suck me into a ‘debate’, so a friend developed a filter on FR that I normally run on my browser but I had to see the reaction to the Novell SCO suit.
Ill be putting back on after the weekend..
Oops. I missed that bit of news. I've been busy working at the navy, and the National Energy Research Scientific Computer Center for the past couple of weeks. I'll go look for it...
I figured it was something like that, or hotel rooms in germany..
Here you go again -- you seem to think that companies have the power or right to make such demands. They don't. There are no "conditions" if you put it out on the open WWW. If you want to put conditions, don't make it generally accessible, and make those who want to view it agree to comply with the conditions.
Hey, the billboard company put a condition that you can't drive faster than 35mph past its billboards. Do you consider yourself bound to comply? You're stealing if you don't.
I know you guys think just because it’s on the internet it’s automatically free for you to have
If they put it out there without technical restriction, I am free to download it. That's the Internet for you. They used their copyright as the owner to distribute it by making it available on the WWW. However, I don't always have the right to re-distribute any content I get that way, as that may be copyright infringement.
and can’t wait to take property from owners with tricky licenses and wording
Did you know that with certain versions of Vista they won't allow you to virtualize? There's nothing actually keeping it from being virtualized, you're just told you can't. Did you know that you must get Microsoft's permission before releasing a benchmark of their database software? Did you know that you have to follow Microsoft's rules for benchmarking if you release a benchmark for .NET?
Those are more than tricky -- they attempt to violate rights.
©2007 antiRepublicrat. You have license to read this post as long as you forever in the future refrain from any further argument against open source software or its proponents, developers or distributors. Failure to abide by this license will result in criminal prosecution and us just generally laughing at your idiotic rants.
Those are the conditions you must abide by in reading this post. If you do not, it is stealing.
I can understand wanting to educate the the ignorant, but when you end up with someone doing the equivalent of the 6 year old putting fingers in their ears and yelling "na na na na na na" while you are doing so becomes very frustrating after only a short period of time. As many have found here, trying to converse with GE/Brass Buzzard is a total waste of energy, bandwidth and patience. That's why he has become a laughinstock around here. Jeez, I would think that any normal human would be humiliated by being known far and wide as the stoopid laughingstock, but then again, not GE/BB. He apparently takes pride in it and even attempts to spread his "fame".
Anyway, it was fun reading your posts to him, even though it was almost as frustrating as trying to reply to him myself. He has that effect on people- at least people who have an incrementally higher IQ than him. Which would include most single celled organisms and dirt.
What exactly do you have for a filter... I'd certainly be interested in utilizing something like that. Oh, for the days of the killfiles on usenet. [grin]
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